<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 7:04 PM Gadersd via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I really don’t think it thinks, but it makes us think it thinks. ChatGPT is wicked cool.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Spike, if I understand you correctly you believe that ChatGPT doesn’t think because its conversations with itself and other chatbots seem to lack original thought and creativity. One important thing to be aware of is that ChatGPT wasn’t trained to ask questions, only to answer questions. These models are specifically trained to be passive and responsive rather than assertive. <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Companies are afraid of releasing chatbots with personality as personality leads to unpredictability and unpredictability is bad for business.</span> Given these factors it is understandable that ChatGPT’s conversations with itself would lack flavor. I think we should wait until someone releases a model of GPT4 caliber that hasn’t been lobotomized before arriving at conclusions.<br></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Good point.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think this is worth a read: <a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12712.pdf">https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12712.pdf</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 23, 2023, at 6:20 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span> </span>extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>><span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [ExI] Bender's Octopus (re: LLMs like ChatGPT)<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 12:56 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I posed this exact question to ChatGPT <u></u><u></u></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>…ChatGPT has references for what bears and sticks are…<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Ja, there was something kinda cool about the exchange. ChatGPT was told “…I am being attacked by an angry bear…”<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It somehow understood that the interlocutor was not at that moment in the process of being devoured while pecking away on his computer for advice on a survival strategy (the subject of my silly riff.) It understood it was being asked about a theoretical situation rather than what it was literally told.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">That kinda implies a form of understanding, or specifically: a very effective use of language models to create the illusion of understanding.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I really don’t think it thinks, but it makes us think it thinks. ChatGPT is wicked cool.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">spike<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">extropy-chat mailing list</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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