<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-family: system-ui, sans-serif; font-size: 0.875rem;">On Saturday, March 25th, 2023 at 9:51 AM, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:</span></div><div class="protonmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite">
            <div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 7:42 AM Dave S via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">On Saturday, March 25th, 2023 at 9:18 AM, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><br></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
> A "code" for redness, is something that is not redness, representing redness. Physical greenness, physical +5 volts, a physical pit on a paper, or an abstract world like 'red' can code for redness.<br>
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What does "physical green can code for redness" mean?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You are using quality blind terminology here.</div></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sorry, I was quoting you and should have said what does "physical greenness...can code for redness" mean? </div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> Do you mind if we change our definitions to be adequate to talk about this stuff, as the 45 supporters of <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/6-Representational-Qualia" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">RQT</a> do?</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.85);font-family:Asap,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:14px">Perception of things is done at a distance via chains of causal intrinsic properties. There are at least the following two sets of intrinsic properties which must be considered if one is not </span><span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:600;color:rgba(0,0,0,0.85);font-family:Asap,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:14px">qualia blind</span><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.85);font-family:Asap,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:14px">:</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgba(0,0,0,0.85);font-family:Asap,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:14px"><br style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgba(0,0,0,0.85);font-family:Asap,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:14px"><ol style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px 0px 0px 40px;color:rgba(0,0,0,0.85);font-family:Asap,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:14px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 0px 20px;padding:0px 0px 0px 4px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:600">“red”</span> The intrinsic physical property of objects that are the target of our observation, the initial cause of the perception process (i.e. when the strawberry reflects 650 nm (red) light). A label for Anything that reflects or emits ‘red’ light.</li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 0px 20px;padding:0px 0px 0px 4px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:600">“redNESS”</span> The different intrinsic physical property of our knowledge of red things, the final result of our perception of red.</li></ol></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Right, so "red" is the physical property and "redness" is how an individual perceives it.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">So what is "physical greenness"? </div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">-Dave</div>
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