<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div class="">The brain is then strictly less complex than DNA.</div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div>I should emphasize that I am referring to the complexity of the brain at birth rather than the brain + information from the environment.<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 6, 2023, at 3:10 PM, Gadersd <<a href="mailto:Gadersd@gmail.com" class="">Gadersd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;">You think humans are simple? Our brains are the most complex thing in the universe and the more psychology tries to understand it, the more complex it becomes.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>The complexity of humans that pushes our abilities beyond that of bacteria for example in entirely due to differences in DNA. The complexity of the human brain is mostly due to our DNA. Our DNA is about 215 million gigabytes of information. The total information of the internet is about 5 billion gigabytes. The internet therefore is actually much more complex than human DNA.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also it should be pointed out that our DNA is not very efficient in its encoding and not all of DNA encodes properties of our brains. The brain is then strictly less complex than DNA.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">GPT has demonstrated good emulation of human thought and reasoning that gives further evidence that the human mind is derived from simple processes and algorithms. GPT4 is estimated to be about 1 trillion parameters.</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 6, 2023, at 1:41 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;">Simple??? You think humans are simple? Our brains are the most complex thing in the universe and the more psychology tries to understand it, the more complex it becomes. "The more you know the more you realize just how much you don't know." I dunno who said that. bill w</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 9:29 AM Gadersd via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> One possible (and very likely, in my opinion) interpretation of all this is not how clever, or intelligent or conscious or whatever, these LLMs are, but how relatively simple, as well as limited, our own vaunted mental processes really are.<br class="">
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This observation can be extended to nearly everything. The universe is much simpler than humans once thought. That the very encompassing known laws of this world can be enumerated on a postcard would have left the ancient Romans starstruck. It should be no surprise that the workings of the mind would be fundamentally simple. It must be simple enough to encode on DNA if not a postcard after all.<br class="">
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> One possible (and very likely, in my opinion) interpretation of all this is not how clever, or intelligent or conscious or whatever, these LLMs are, but how relatively simple, as well as limited, our own vaunted mental processes really are.<br class="">
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