<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">But you never said how knowledge got to our brains other than through the senses. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 2:14 PM Gordon Swobe via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 12:09 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 11:45 PM Gordon Swobe <<a href="mailto:gordon.swobe@gmail.com" target="_blank">gordon.swobe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote">I think you are begging the question, asking me to assume your conclusion. I have no idea if brains derive understanding from the mere statistical correlations of their inputs. <br><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Gordon, thank you for responding to that question.</div><div><br></div><div>Let's break it apart to see where there is either disagreement or confusion:</div><div>1. We agree that human brains have understanding, correct?</div><div>2. We agree that the only information a human brain receives from or about the outside world enters it as nerve impulses from the senses, correct?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I hope you understand that you opened up a giant can of worms, especially with the second question. If you expect simple yes/no answers to simple questions then I might disappoint you.<br><br>1. I agree that conscious human brains, aka minds, have understanding. That question is fairly straightforward.<br><br>2. This question is more problematic, and depends to some extent on what we mean by "outside world." We already had a miscommunication about that question with respect to referents. I am not a strict empiricist, which is to say that I do not believe that all knowledge is derived from the senses where senses is taken to mean sight, hearing, etc. You've already seen me write about how I believe along with mathematical platonists that we discover mathematical truths and do not invent them. The square root of 9 is 3 and this was and is eternally true. It was true before anyone had a conscious mind to contemplate and learn it. Does it exist in the "outside world"? Is the platonic realm in the outside world?<br><br>Empirical science has been a great boon to humanity, but as Shakespeare might say, "‘There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in the philosophy of empiricism." :)<br><br>-gts<br><br> <br><br><br><br> <br><br><br></div><div> </div></div></div>
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