<div dir="auto"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 7, 2023, 11:45 PM Gordon Swobe <<a href="mailto:gordon.swobe@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gordon.swobe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 5:38 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 7, 2023, 7:25 PM Gordon Swobe <<a href="mailto:gordon.swobe@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">gordon.swobe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 1:44 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Note: I did not say the software is alive, nor did I say it was conscious like humans are. Only that things that demonstrate awareness of something we can assume to be conscious of something.</div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">This makes the conscious LLM claim trivial and uninteresting. My Ring doorbell in my smart home is “aware” of motion in front my door and starts shooting video. Excuse me, but so what.</div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It does make achieving consciousness trivial. But uninteresting? Not necessarily. The interesting question then is not if it is consciousness, but rather: what is it conscious of, and how similar or different is its consciousness from our own?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We shouldn't be surprised that there are different classes and levels and kinds of conscious, just as there are for different kinds and levels and types of intelligence or of life.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We can use the word life for anything from a bacterium to a giant squid to an aspen grove. This doesn't make the term life, or the field of biology trivial or uninteresting. Instead it points to the wide diversity and potentiality of life. I believe the same diversity and potentially exists for consciousness.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It means there are possible beings with consciousness as different and as more sophisticated to our own consciousness as ours is to ants. It means there's a nearly infinite number if ways to be, feel, know, perceive and exist. There are infinite flavors and colors. There are infinite degrees of awareness. To me, this makes the subject of consciousness all the more interesting.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason</div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"></div></div>
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