<div dir="ltr">Darin, <br>I tried first withing the same instance and I suspected the same thing. But then I copied and pasted each translation between different instances (that do not have access to the other ones) and the final result is shown and it is basically identical to original.<div>Giovanni </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 12:51 AM Giovanni Santostasi <<a href="mailto:gsantostasi@gmail.com">gsantostasi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">No, because I tried different instances. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 12:37 AM Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">GPT4 has a 30,000 token attention buffer. A token is basically a word, not  a character. It's just playing the original English back out of the buffer, not retranslating, I strongly suspect.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 9, 2023 at 9:16 PM Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">F Incredible. I used a different instance of GPT-4 to translate the symbolic language back to English. <br><div style="border-width:0px 0px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.1);box-sizing:border-box;width:1828.82px;font-family:Söhne,ui-sans-serif,system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:14px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:auto;display:flex;padding:1.5rem 0px;font-size:1rem;line-height:1.5rem;max-width:48rem"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;min-height:20px;white-space:pre-wrap">I asked an AI to make up a symbolic language and write a short essay on a particular topic. I will show the sequence of symbols and I want you to try to translate the best you can or at least guess the topic of the essay expressed by these symbols. 
🌍🔄👥🤝🌱🌟🌐💠🔀💬📚🎨💎🎭🎼</div></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;display:flex;padding-left:0.5rem"><button style="border-width:0px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(217,217,227);font-family:inherit;font-size:16px;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0.25rem;background-image:none;border-radius:0.375rem"></button></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box"></div></div></div></div><div style="border-width:0px 0px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.1);box-sizing:border-box;width:1828.82px;font-family:Söhne,ui-sans-serif,system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:14px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:auto;display:flex;padding:1.5rem 0px;font-size:1rem;line-height:1.5rem;max-width:48rem"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;width:30px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;height:30px;width:30px;border-radius:0.125rem;padding:0.25rem;background-color:black"></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;font-size:0.75rem;line-height:1rem"><button disabled style="border-width:0px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(217,217,227);font-family:inherit;font-size:12px;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;background-image:none"></button><span style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box"></span><button disabled style="border-width:0px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(217,217,227);font-family:inherit;font-size:12px;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;background-image:none"></button></div></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;min-height:20px;white-space:pre-wrap"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;max-width:none;font-size:1rem;line-height:1.75;width:652.989px"><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 1.25em">Based on the sequence of symbols you've provided, it appears that the AI-generated symbolic language might be related to the following topic:</p><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:1.25em 0px">The interconnectedness and collaboration of people around the world in various domains such as environmental conservation, education, art, and culture.</p><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:1.25em 0px">Here's a possible translation of the symbols:</p><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:1.25em 0px">🌍 - Earth, representing the global context
🔄 - Interconnectedness or collaboration
👥 - People, indicating a focus on human relationships
🤝 - Cooperation, emphasizing collaborative efforts
🌱 - Environmental conservation or sustainable growth
🌟 - Excellence or achievements
🌐 - Global community or international relations
💠 - Diversity or a range of perspectives
🔀 - Integration or blending of ideas
💬 - Communication or dialogue
📚 - Education or knowledge sharing
🎨 - Art and creative expression
💎 - Precious or valuable contributions
🎭 - Culture, representing various traditions and customs
🎼 - Music or harmony, possibly symbolizing unity</p><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:1.25em 0px 0px">From this interpretation, the short essay might be discussing the importance of global collaboration and interconnectedness in addressing environmental issues, promoting education, and fostering cultural exchange and artistic expression.</p><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:1.25em 0px 0px"><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 9, 2023 at 6:22 PM Giovanni Santostasi <<a href="mailto:gsantostasi@gmail.com" target="_blank">gsantostasi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="border-width:0px 0px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.1);box-sizing:border-box;width:1828.82px;font-family:Söhne,ui-sans-serif,system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:14px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:auto;display:flex;padding:1.5rem 0px;font-size:1rem;line-height:1.5rem;max-width:48rem"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;min-height:20px;white-space:pre-wrap">Ok now create a symbol for each concept we express in this essay and translate to this strange alien language you can use graphic symbols or number anything you like but make sure each concept is a different symbol. Then rewrite the essay above with these symbols and show me a list of the symbols after your translation.</div></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;display:flex;padding-left:0.5rem"><button style="border-width:0px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(217,217,227);font-family:inherit;font-size:16px;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0.25rem;background-image:none;border-radius:0.375rem"></button></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box"></div></div></div></div><div style="border-width:0px 0px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.1);box-sizing:border-box;width:1828.82px;font-family:Söhne,ui-sans-serif,system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:14px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:auto;display:flex;padding:1.5rem 0px;font-size:1rem;line-height:1.5rem;max-width:48rem"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;width:30px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;height:30px;width:30px;border-radius:0.125rem;padding:0.25rem;background-color:black"></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;font-size:0.75rem;line-height:1rem"><button disabled style="border-width:0px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(217,217,227);font-family:inherit;font-size:12px;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;background-image:none"></button><span style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box"></span><button disabled style="border-width:0px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(217,217,227);font-family:inherit;font-size:12px;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;background-image:none"></button></div></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;min-height:20px;white-space:pre-wrap"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;max-width:none;font-size:1rem;line-height:1.75;width:652.989px"><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 1.25em">Creating a completely new and unique symbol for each concept in the essay might not be feasible or practical, but I can create a simple, unique symbol for each major concept in the essay and then provide a list of these symbols. Here's an attempt to create such a symbol-based representation:</p><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:1.25em 0px">Symbols:</p><ol style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;list-style-position:initial;margin:1.25em 0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 1rem;display:flex"><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Beauty of language: ❁</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Unique intricacies and nuances: ✥</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Expressive tapestry: ✺</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Connecting people: ⌘</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Cultural barriers: ≋</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Translation process: ⧬</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Lost nuances: ⨂</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Misunderstandings and misinterpretations: ⨁</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Challenges: ⧳</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Complexity and variety of languages: ⧚</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Rich landscape: ⨝</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Human communication and expression: ⥾</li><li style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;padding-left:0.375em">Shared human experience: ⧉</li></ol><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:1.25em 0px">Symbol-based representation:
❁ ✥ ✺ ⌘ ≋ ⧬ ⨂ ⨁ ⧳ ⧚ ⨝ ⥾ ⧉</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 9, 2023 at 5:51 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>…</b>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] chatgpt plus google translate<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border:1pt solid rgb(217,217,227);padding:0in;background:rgb(247,247,248)"><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15pt;margin-left:0in;background:rgb(247,247,248);border:none;padding:0in"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:rgb(55,65,81)">English essay: The beauty of language lies in the unique intricacies and </span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black">…</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:rgb(55,65,81)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15pt;margin-left:0in;background:rgb(247,247,248);border:none;padding:0in"><span style="color:black">…</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;background:rgb(247,247,248);border:none;padding:0in;box-sizing:border-box;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:rgb(55,65,81)">Back to English translation (from Italian text): The beauty of language lies in the unique complexities </span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black">…</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Well OK then.  ChatGPT appears to have solved the problem of multiple language translations.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Now all those US translators have no more value.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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