<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 11:49 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 12/04/2023 16:01, Jason Resch wrote:<br>> Just when I thought I understood your theory this last paragraph above<br>> completely undermines that understanding.<br><br>Have you considered that it might just be, literally, nonsense?</blockquote><div><br></div><div> At this point in time, there are over 40 people, explicitly supporting <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/6-Representational-Qualia">RQT</a>, the petition saying they agree with what we are all saying, concisely and quantitatively.</div><div><br></div><div>Do you think there is any chance an argument like "It's just Turtles, all the way down." could achieve anything close to that amount of support?</div></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:58 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>They decode it to WHAT? Decoding from one code, to another
code, none of which is like anything</div>
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This is the heart of the problem. The idea that 'a code' has to
refer to 'something'. Some concrete, non-code, non-signal 'thing'.
That is a misconception. There is no 'like anything'. Really.<br>
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"Decoding the meaning" just means mapping a set of signals to
another set of signals. That's all. Associating signals together.
All there is are signals, the brain doesn't (can't) deal with
anything else. The signals ultimately come from the sense organs,
which detect patterns in the environment. (more signals, really).
It's just Turtles, all the way down.<br>
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This insistence that the brain has to contain 'real things' that are
not neural signals is pathological, really. It goes against all the
evidence and logic, and just leads to endless pointless arguing.
This concept belongs with phlogiston and the luminiferous aether. We
know better now. <br>
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I think we should stop at glutamate, and give it a decent burial.<br>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We predict experimentalists will soon prove which camp is THE ONE, forcing everyone into it.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>