<div dir="ltr">Communication is usually manipulation. "I would like you to do this or that". Any time you are asking someone to do something for you, you are manipulating them -- getting them to change their actions to better suit your desires. It's only bad if you're doing it in an unhealthy way. <div><br></div><div>Communication is rarely informational "This happened" without an implied desire "this happened (therefore I would like you to do something implied by this information, such as commiserate, alter your style, help me with this thing)"</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:34 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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On 12/04/2023 14:22, <a href="mailto:efc@swisscows.email" target="_blank">efc@swisscows.email</a> wrote:<br>
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2023, Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite" style="color:rgb(0,124,255)">What are you
expected to do? lie all the time? Be a fake person?
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I have a feeling that this is a list of the type of persons who
are
<br>
attracted to this mailing list maybe?
<br>
<br>
Technical/scientific people who work in areas where things work or
don't
<br>
work.
<br>
<br>
However, I've worked a lot (and am working) in sales and
management, so
<br>
I think this is not a binary question. Depending on the situation,
and
<br>
what you want to get out of the situation, you can phrase your
intent in
<br>
many different ways.
<br>
<br>
If I know that someone in my team doesn't react well to direct
feedback,
<br>
I try to soften the blow. If someone doesn't get nuances, I give
it to
<br>
him straight.
<br>
<br>
I don't see that as me "faking" or hiding who I am. I see that as
me
<br>
trying to communicate as effectively as possible to get my ideas
across.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="color:rgb(0,124,255)">Each point is
saying 'this, this, this.. on the other hand that that that'. So
what are we meant to understand from this?
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</blockquote>
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Not much. I would take with me the message that adapt how you
<br>
communicate depending on the situation and what you would like to
get
<br>
out of it.
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<br>
Best regards, Daniel
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Thanks, Daniel.<br>
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I do see what you're getting at. For me, this idea of adapting your
message seems to imply that communication is not about communication
as such, rather more about manipulation.<br>
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Personally, I balk at that. I know how to be manipulative (to a
degree, anyway. Can't claim to be an expert!), and I don't like it.
I feel it makes me a worse person, not a better one, so tend to
avoid it. I can't say if Honesty is really the best policy, but it's
certainly the most honest one, and the one that makes me feel good
about myself. Constantly manipulating people would definitely not do
that.<br>
<br>
"Yeah, your bum does look a bit big in that. But I still love you".
Come on, what is actually wrong with that?<br>
<br>
Ben<br>
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