<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">We are all libertarians,right? (the idea that someone here is an authoritarian is mind-blowing). We cherish our rights to do as we will, while staying within the law (mostly). We see that normal society has over the millenia devised ways of making people feel safe by the body language, facial expressions, and verbalizations we are referring to as social tokens. Some of us despise the superficiality of these tokens and the social pressure to accept them and do them in response to other's use of them.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">But think of it this way: we also do not want to upset people by acting in odd and nonconformist ways - so we have a conflict. There are those of us who want to flip their noses (or fingers) at these conventions and show people that we cannot be pressured to conform to their silly needs, and so go ahead and act in ways that do upset people.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">There are those libertarians, some of whom I know, who flaunt society by not wearing seatbelts. Not only stupid and very immature, but illegal. None of us, I hope. This just goes too far and actually endangers lives.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">I have walked out on a religious speech that was very bigoted. It was required at my college. But if I were in church to see a loved one marry I would go along with the requirements of the situation, hoping no one would think that I support the religious beliefs being expressed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Is not using social tokens really a good way to express our libertarianism? If you were greeted by a smile and a "Hi" would you really consider sneering at them and ignoring them? I think not. Much more serious battles are there to be fought. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Sometimes you just gotta give in to conformity. If it annoys you, I suggest you are putting some stress on yourself that you don't need.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Relax. Go with the flow. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Are there really good reasons to upset and annoy other people?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 8:18 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-8913266603535451686"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_-8913266603535451686WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gadersd via extropy-chat<br><b>…</b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">>…I jog everyday and almost every time I cross the path of a stranger he or she will either nod or give a greeting of some kind. Ever since I was a child these “social token" acknowledgements have been gut wrenching. I almost have to grit my teeth to return the acknowledgment. I’m not sure of the reason for the aversion, but these “social tokens” have always annoyed me to no end… Gadersd<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Gadersd, that comment astonishes me. I never thought a pleasant exchange of greetings could ever be annoying. Yesterday I was on the phone with an old friend from college (the one with which I cooked up the computer room gags endlessly.) I went on about how I perceive my own neighborhood to be filled almost exclusively by very pleasant people with whom I exchange friendly waves and greetings nearly every day. Now, I hear some people find that gut wrenching and that California culture is fake.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I don’t know how to process this information. Of course I have the option to not process that information and continue as I always have.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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