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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: spike@rainier66.com <spike@rainier66.com> <br>...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>...Thx BillK, I meant can it draw a helicopter, analogous to what Giovanni was doing with the apple experiment. Those are two completely different experiments. Giovanni what software did you use to get those apple/plate drawings please? spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Reasoning: the entire grounding problem thread (very enlightening it is, thx to all for the free education) is all about the level of understanding software is displaying. It is easy enough for me to imagine taking a jillion capchas asking for the BI to click all the squares with a helicopter, create a photographic image from that, label it "helicopter" and drop it into a huge lookup table.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>But... if it takes all his images labeled helicopter and draws a helicopter, that to me is demonstrating a whole nuther level of understanding. It is a much more difficult task, one that most humans cannot do with any aplomb. For instance, right now, draw a helicopter. Don't look at photo, just draw one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Don’t draw an open-frame like this one, but rather a different concept please, so you aren’t influenced by my amateurish attempt.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><img width=494 height=326 style='width:5.1458in;height:3.3958in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D97069.A8EA1390"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>The reason I find this experiment interesting is that I do know how a helicopter works, know hte parts of the very impressive mechanical control system, the stabilizer bar, the swash plate, the engineering magic that keeps a helicopter flying choppy side up, I know all the reasons why if you knew how a helicopter control system works you would flatly refuse to get aboard one, even if it is a medivac and you have a severed artery. You would tell the pilot no thanks, I will wait for the four-wheeled ambulance and eat lots of spinach until it gets here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>I want to see what an AI will draw if asked because most of its digital images of a helicopter don’t show any of that and tell it anything about all that control stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>