<div dir="ltr">Spike,<div>To me, that drawing of a helicopter is a sign the singularity is coming soon. I know it doesn't look much but actually, it is better than, as you said, most people would do even just using simple elements like rectangles. <br>Consider also it is all code (see below). Maybe there is something I don't understand but if I do what is happening here is incredible. GPT-4 has to have some general idea of what a helicopter looks like. <br><br>It has to understand the helicopter has certain particular components (that it actually lists in the code) and how these components are related to each other both spatially and in relative dimensions. All this is just from its textual knowledge of helicopters (I believe the version that is available to the public is not trained on images). <br><br>It has to write code with a plan in mind that allows for these components to be set in a given frame it has created at the start. It has chosen to use rectangles (vs round shapes it has used in the past to represent the head of a person for example) of certain proportions for the different components. It has to know that the rotor is on top and the sled at the bottom, the tail on the side. The tail rotor needs to be much smaller than the rotor. All these things absolutely show that this is not your grandma's autocomplete as Gordon insists. GPT-4 really understands a helicopter deeply and it did this by understanding the relations between the parts without having a referent of any type. If we didn't know what a helicopter was we could have imagined one from this drawing (or a more detailed one if necessary). If one sees this drawing with open eyes and mind then he will arrive at the logical unavoidable conclusion but if somebody has their mind closed because of some strongly held superstitious idea then no amount of evidence will convince them, even when the first AI will receive the Noble Prize for Physics. <br>Giovanni <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><span class="gmail-hljs-meta" style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;color:rgba(255,255,255,0.6);font-family:"S\0000f6hne Mono",Monaco,"Andale Mono","Ubuntu Mono",monospace;font-size:14px;white-space:pre;background-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><!DOCTYPE <span class="gmail-hljs-keyword" style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(46,149,211)">html</span>></span><span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:"S\0000f6hne Mono",Monaco,"Andale Mono","Ubuntu Mono",monospace;font-size:14px;white-space:pre;background-color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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</span><span class="gmail-hljs-tag" style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:"S\0000f6hne Mono",Monaco,"Andale Mono","Ubuntu Mono",monospace;font-size:14px;white-space:pre;background-color:rgb(0,0,0)"></<span class="gmail-hljs-name" style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box">html</span>></span><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 7:12 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-2134287012360532349"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_-2134287012360532349WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Giovanni Santostasi <<a href="mailto:gsantostasi@gmail.com" target="_blank">gsantostasi@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] did chatgpt train on capchas?<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">GPT-4 creating a SVG code to draw a helicopter:<br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img width="191" height="123" style="width: 1.9895in; height: 1.2812in;" id="m_-2134287012360532349Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:1878d0438a74cff311"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Cool thx Giovanni. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I don’t expect the Singularity in the next few days.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Musk is going into the mainstream media and saying something like what I have been stewing on: long before AI comes to have a will of its own, Bis will teach it to lie to us and get us to do bad things to ourselves.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="m_-2134287012360532349m1321694801452698281msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2134287012360532349m1321694801452698281msoplaintext">Given enough of these they could draw a picture of a helicopter better than I can.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2134287012360532349m1321694801452698281msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2134287012360532349m1321694801452698281msoplaintext">Good chance GPT’s picture would look a bit wonky, but so would mine.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2134287012360532349m1321694801452698281msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2134287012360532349m1321694801452698281msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2134287012360532349m1321694801452698281msoplaintext"><img width="77" height="96" style="width: 0.802in; height: 1in;" id="m_-2134287012360532349m_1321694801452698281Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:1878d0438a75b006a2"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2134287012360532349m1321694801452698281msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2134287012360532349m1321694801452698281msoplaintext">ChatGPT has billions of these to train on probably.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2134287012360532349m1321694801452698281msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-2134287012360532349m1321694801452698281msoplaintext">spike<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br><br><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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