<div dir="auto"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 11:27 AM Gordon Swobe via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 7:32 PM Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><b>Nowhere in the process is the word "chair" directly linked to an actual<br>chair. There is no 'grounding', there are multiple associations.</b><br>Ben,<br>It is mind-blowing that somebody as smart as Gordon doesn't understand what you explained.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It is mind-blowing that even after all my attempts to explain Linguistics 101, you guys still fail to understand the meaning of the word "referent." </div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You must feel about as frustrated as John Searle did here:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Searle: “The single most surprising discovery that I have made in discussing these issues is that many AI workers are quite shocked by my idea that actual human mental phenomena might be dependent on actual physical-chemical properties of actual human brains. [...]</div><div dir="auto">The mental gymnastics that partisans of strong AI have performed in their attempts to refute this rather simple argument are truly extraordinary.”</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Dennett: “Here we have the spectacle of an eminent philosopher going around the country trotting out a "rather simple argument" and then marveling at the obtuseness of his audiences, who keep trying to show him what's wrong with it. He apparently cannot bring himself to contemplate the possibility that he might be missing a point or two, or underestimating the opposition. As he notes in his review, no less than twenty-seven rather eminent people responded to his article when it first appeared in Behavioral and Brain Sciences, but since he repeats its claims almost verbatim in the review, it seems that the only lesson he has learned from the response was that there are several dozen fools in the world.”</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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