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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Allsop via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] all we are is just llms </p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>…I doubt dust blowing in the wind is computationally bound.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>And the dust which I am made of has phenomenal qualities like redness, greenness, physical attraction, physical desires, and so on.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Far more phenomenal than mere abstract words like 'red' that require a dictionary or attractions that require programmed specifications, all of which aren't like anything.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> Ja. I still like the song. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://youtu.be/tH2w6Oxx0kQ" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/tH2w6Oxx0kQ</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> I come away from reading the debate with the notion humans are gradually recognizing we are machines, weakly analogous to the ones LLMs are becoming. Intelligence is a spectrum, so we have no way of knowing when human level AGI has been or will be achieved, for we don’t know how to measure ourselves, even by our own standards.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>