<div dir="ltr"><br><div>I'm jealous. I've never experienced taste and smell in dreams.</div><div>I want to know what "fanciful' is like so I can know the meaning of that term in that context.</div><div>I bet someday we'll know which of all our objective descriptions of stuff in the brain, is a description of that kind of subjective 'fanciful'.</div><div>And I'm looking forward to being able to say: "oh THAT is what that kind of fanciful taste is like."</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 11:21 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Wtf I have all my senses in my dreams....<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When I was a kid I used to try and eat in dreams specifically cuz the food was always so fanciful</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 5:23 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 16/04/2023 19:07, bill w wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:small"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Oh yes we can - dreams.
Visual, mostly, rarely auditory, never touch, smell or
taste (unless some chat member reports any of those. )
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I can definitely report that my dreams sometimes incorporate sound
(playing a musical instrument) and touch (we won't go there). Don't
recall taste or smell, though. Proprioception as well, though, very
commonly (as in, almost always. Many of my dreams are about movement
- running, cycling, skating, flying, as well as less common and
physically impossible ways of moving - and I can feel the motion,
not just see it).<br>
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The question of whether we are conscious while dreaming is an
interesting one, though. Lucid dreaming - are we really conscious
then? And I sometimes have what I'd call 'semi-lucid' dreams where I
can control events, or at least influence them, but am not as
conscious as in a lucid dream.<br>
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Ben<br>
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