<div dir="ltr"><br><div>Hi Gordon and Ben,</div><div>It is very interesting, educational, and insightful to follow these conversations, and see your different ways of thinking about things.</div><div>I have a question for you both. I'm interested to see how your answers will differ.</div><div>CPUs have registers, and the computations are always done between registers. Things like comparison, addition, exclusive or and all that kind of stuff.</div><div>Would either of you guys label those mechanisms done in the CPU as "communication" or "language"?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 4:01 AM Gordon Swobe via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 2:43 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
(you think that pointing is not a language? I suspect many deaf
people would disagree)<br></div></blockquote><div><br>Fine with me. Sign language is also a form of language. <br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
This is why referring to linguistics is not helping. </div></blockquote><div><br>? Because we are going to include sign language in our definition of language, linguistics is not helping? Linguists consider sign language also to be a form of language. <br><br>In our primitive caveman example, in which he points at let us say an animal, his first "words" in sign language translate to something like "Look over there! See what I see?" Based on how frantic or calm is his gesturing, his interlocutor might also know if his friend perceives the animal as a threat or as food. Now he has two words. Before long, Fred and Barney are also grunting identifiable noises as their sign language evolves into more complex verbal language.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>As I said
earlier, it's the wrong discipline here. </div></blockquote><div><br>Language models model language and linguistics is the science of language. <br><br>> Referents, being internal conceptual models, <i>are made of
language</i>. They must be, because there's nothing else to work
with, in the brain.<br><br>Really? My brain has visual perceptions and sounds and imaginations and non-verbal thoughts and music and many things going on that can be <i>described</i> with language but are not language.<br><br>I understand what you are trying to say about the "language of the brain" but I would say you are conflating neurology and language. <br><br>The statement "referents are made of language" is simply false on the definition of referent. Only a tiny subset of words in the English language have language as referents. Linguists call them meta-words. They are parts of speech and similar. For example, the word "nouns" refers to the set of all nouns. <br><br>-gts</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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