<div dir="ltr">Brent, <br>Ok, let's play your game. Explain in detail how your magical converter works. You cannot say it is a black box and you don't care how it works. There is a precise reason I demand a precise description because I actually want to make an important point on the basis of your response. If you have no idea of course you can say you have no idea. <br>Let's start from there. <br>Please go ahead.<br>Giovanni </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 11:19 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 2:38 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
As for Brent's strawberry fetish etc., I've given up trying to make <br>
sense of his impenetrable jargon. Plenty of people have explained to <br>
him, at painful length, "doing what you've always done will get you what <br>
you've always got", but he just won't listen.<br>
<br>
But, yes, his diagram is the same as mine, just with a couple of details <br>
pulled out, and focusing only on vision. The eyes and 'perception <br>
process' are one of my arrows from the left, the 3D strawberry model <br>
should be one of the bubbles. What 'composed of subjective qualities' <br>
actually means is anybody's guess really. I strongly suspect it doesn't <br>
mean anything at all.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am simply asking the question, where IF you put a red / green signal inverter between the retina and the optic nerve there will be red light from the strawberry landing on the retina, yet the strawberry will seem green.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm just asking, what is that grenness seeming?</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 3:52 AM Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The directness and vividness of the experience are just an illusion.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Exactly, and what is this vivid greeness illusion of a red strawberry?</div><div><br></div><div>That is all I'm asking.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
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