<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">But what's actually important is not 'up to', but 'from'. 'Up to'</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">establishes an upper bound, but doesn't tell anybody what they are</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">actually paying. In the absence of an exact amount that they do pay (or</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I earn), 'From' is much more useful, and honest. 'Between' would be even</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">better.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Are people really stupid, or do marketers and journalists just think</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">they are stupid? I will send up to £1000 to each person who can answer</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">this question. </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Ben</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:small"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">I can answer this question. You did not say that the answers had to be correct.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:small"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div> 'Up to'<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </span>establishes an upper bound, -<font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"> Actually it doesn't. <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Not in many ads.</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </span>I<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </span>see ads that say: discounts up to 50% and MORE. Of course this is stupid. Ad people know this<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">. </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">If I were to write ads the manager would turn my output over to someone who could dumb it down. bill w</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span></font></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 6:39 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
On 24/04/2023 00:39, BillK wrote:<br>
> ... OpenAI paying up to $700,000 a day ...<br>
<br>
Well, so what? I earn up to £1,000,000 a day.<br>
<br>
But what's actually important is not 'up to', but 'from'. 'Up to' <br>
establishes an upper bound, but doesn't tell anybody what they are <br>
actually paying. In the absence of an exact amount that they do pay (or <br>
I earn), 'From' is much more useful, and honest. 'Between' would be even <br>
better.<br>
<br>
Are people really stupid, or do marketers and journalists just think <br>
they are stupid? I will send up to £1000 to each person who can answer <br>
this question.<br>
<br>
Ben<br>
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