<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;">In classical conditionings, when a bell rings, the dog salivates. Is this communication? Or symbolic grounding or some such?</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I am growing increasingly weary of all these hazy word games. One can define language and communication in many different nonequivalent ways. The reality is in the physics, yet some of us are completely ignoring physics and instead engaging in philosophical semantic masturbation.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I wish we would purge vague terms such as “understanding”, “qualia”, and so on in favor of objective language.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 25, 2023, at 10:50 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;">I just want simple answers, not a bunch of new terms. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;">In classical conditionings, when a bell rings, the dog salivates. Is this communication? Or symbolic grounding or some such?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;">Psychology is the worst at inventing new terms. Some new sciences are doing it too, making relating to old terms difficult.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;">IMO, if a stimulus provokes a response, communication has occurred. Sender; medium; reception and response. Information has occurred, transferred, and caused actions. Why can't a bell ringing be called a language? If instead you used saying the word 'bell' as a CS, would that qualify?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;">Definitions are very difficult: you have to say what something is and what it isn't, and how it is similar to but different from other terms. If we stuck to operational definitions it would greatly simplify things.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;">bill w </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;"><br class=""></div></div>
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