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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>…</b>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gordon Swobe via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Ben Goertzel on Large Language Models<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 4:59 PM Giovanni Santostasi <<a href="mailto:gsantostasi@gmail.com">gsantostasi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:11.55pt'>>>…Gordon,<br>Given Goertzel believes that we can reach AGI in a few years would you simply concede that when we reach this level of intelligence the AGI would be conscious if it behaves like a conscious agent …<br><br>>…As for whether any AI will have subjective experience -- what I mean by consciousness -- I do doubt that, at least on digital computers as we understand them today. I certainly do not believe that GPT-4 or any other LLM is conscious.<br><br>-gts<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Seems we are working back to a question I have posed earlier: are consciousness and intelligence separable? In principle, I don’t see why not. ChatGPT is claiming to be not conscious, but it appears to be intelligent.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I suppose we could ask GPT if it thinks consciousness and intelligence can be separated, but it might end up contradicting itself. Perhaps someone already did that experiment.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>