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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/04/2023 20:22, Gordon Swobe
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<div dir="auto">Brent I do agree, however, that a large language
model cannot have a conscience experience of redness. In terms
of my arguments, just as it cannot have conscious experience of
color, it cannot have a conscious understanding of the meanings
of words (including words about color) based only on its
analysis of how words are arranged statistically in the training
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<div dir="auto">It can know only how to arrange those words in
sentences and paragraphs that have meaning *to us*, the
end-users. This is what it learned from from its deep machine
learning.</div>
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<div dir="auto">And this incidentally is exactly what GPT-4 claims
to do but people here don’t believe it. I wonder what people
here on ExI will say in the very near future when all major
language models “mature” to GPT-4’s level and have the same
understanding of language models as GPT-4 and me. Will people
here call all the AIs liars?</div>
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<div dir="auto">By the way, Jason, you were saying that the models
at <a href="http://character.ai" moz-do-not-send="true">character.ai</a>
still claim to be conscious. I went there and found that not to
be the case. Perhaps you can show me what you meant.</div>
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<div dir="auto">LLMs that claim consciousness are, in my view,
just toys for entertainment. They might make good romantic
partners for lonely people with vivid imaginations, but they are
toys.</div>
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So you believe them when they claim to not be conscious, but don't
believe them when they don't.<br>
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And you expect us to take your reports of what they say as evidence
for whether they are conscious or not.<br>
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Can you see a problem with that?<br>
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Ben<br>
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