<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 1, 2023, 12:08 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Yea for Ben! Let's get real:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><div class="gmail_default">Life. Consciousness. Intelligence. etc.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Things hard to define. What good will come when we agree on the meanings of these words? Is an AI conscious or not? Who cares? Why should we care?</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If we fill the galaxy with self replicating probes, or make AI companions and coworkers, we would prefer they be conscious would we not?, especially if humans someday went extinct but left these machines behind.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Conversely, if we mistreat AIs, robots, or androids, and make them suffer or subject themntonstress, make them labor without any rewards, we would prefer they not be conscious, would we not?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">These aren't idle philosophical questions but perhaps among the most pressing ethical considerations of our time.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">A biologist I told once that I had read a book called "Life on Man" said that the author's definition of a parasite was different from his. And I said "Well, that doesn't make either one of you right or wrong, does it?" </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">He had no reply, of course. Biologists will deal with the creatures whatever we call them, won't they ? Yep. Will deciding that a slime mold is intelligent cause us to do anything different? Nope. Don't argue with words: argue with observations of the slime mold. </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">We start out life putting things in our environment into one of two categories: to be feared, or not to be feared. Thus begins our journey of putting people and things in our lives into the 'right category'. "Is she cheating or not?" "Am I doing the right thing?" Much of this makes a difference.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Much doesn't. Who cares?</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">I suggest that we should treat definitions/categorizations just like we do theories: we don't ask that they be right or wrong. We ask that they be useful. To be useful they have to produce testable ideas which can be falsified. </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Is something intelligent has to depend on defining intelligence in ways that leave no doubt as to what we are talking about/ testing.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">So stop the word games and deal with scientific inquiry - data. Interpretations will come later and be discussed and argued endlessly, as we know. </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Ya know, some days it seems to me that my life, inner and outer, my environments and so on, are being directed by an evil demon. Nothing else makes any sense at all. bill w</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:40 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 1:33 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I have an idea.<br>
<br>
Instead of endlessly arguing and giving these GPT systems leading <br>
questions about whether they are conscious or understand things then <br>
believing their answers when they correspond to our preconceptions, why <br>
doesn't somebody ask one how it can help us cure cancer?<br>
<br>
Or any number of really important real-world problems.<br>
<br>
I mean, who cares if it 'really understands', when the real question is <br>
can it really solve real problems?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Alas, it can't. Not that one, at least.</div><div><br></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;overflow:hidden"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;height:951px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;height:951px;overflow-y:auto;width:771px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;font-size:0.875rem;line-height:1.25rem"><div style="border-width:0px 0px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.1);box-sizing:border-box;width:763px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:auto;display:flex;padding:1.5rem 0px;font-size:1rem;line-height:1.5rem;max-width:36rem"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;min-height:20px;white-space:pre-wrap">How might all forms of cancer be cured with a single, universally applicable solution?</div></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;display:flex;padding-left:0.5rem"><button style="border-width:0px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(217,217,227);font-family:inherit;font-size:16px;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0.25rem;background-image:none;border-radius:0.375rem"></button></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box"></div></div></div></div><div style="border-width:0px 0px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.1);box-sizing:border-box;width:763px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:auto;display:flex;padding:1.5rem 0px;font-size:1rem;line-height:1.5rem;max-width:36rem"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;width:30px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;height:30px;width:30px;border-radius:0.125rem;padding:0.25rem;background-color:rgb(16,163,127)"></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;font-size:0.75rem;line-height:1rem"><button disabled style="border-width:0px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(217,217,227);font-family:inherit;font-size:12px;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;background-image:none"></button><span style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box"></span><button disabled style="border-width:0px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(217,217,227);font-family:inherit;font-size:12px;font-weight:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;background-image:none"></button></div></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;min-height:20px;white-space:pre-wrap"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;max-width:none;font-size:1rem;line-height:1.75;width:461px"><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 1.25em">Unfortunately, it is unlikely that there will be a single, universally applicable solution to cure all forms of cancer. Cancer is not a single disease, but rather a collection of diseases that arise from different types of cells and genetic mutations. These different types of cancer require different treatments, and there is no one-size-fits-all approach that can be applied to all types of cancer.</p><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:1.25em 0px">Current cancer treatments, such as chemotherapy, radiation therapy, surgery, and targeted therapy, are highly specific to the type of cancer being treated. Even within a single type of cancer, different patients may require different treatments based on the unique genetic makeup of their tumors. Therefore, developing a single solution that can cure all types of cancer is highly unlikely.</p><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:1.25em 0px">That being said, there are some promising areas of research that may lead to more effective and targeted cancer treatments. For example, immunotherapy, which harnesses the power of the immune system to fight cancer, has shown promising results in some types of cancer. Similarly, precision medicine, which tailors treatments to the individual genetic profile of a patient's tumor, has the potential to improve outcomes for cancer patients.</p><p style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:1.25em 0px 0px">Overall, while it is unlikely that there will be a single, universally applicable solution to cure all forms of cancer, continued research and development of targeted and personalized therapies may lead to more effective treatments for individual types of cancer.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;height:12rem;width:763px"></div></div></div></div></div><div style="border:0px solid transparent;box-sizing:border-box;width:771px;padding-top:0.5rem;background-image:linear-gradient(rgba(255,255,255,0) 13.94%,rgb(255,255,255) 54.73%);background-color:transparent"><form style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;display:flex;max-width:42rem" target="_blank"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;height:96px"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Söhne,ui-sans-serif,system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Noto Sans",sans-serif,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:medium"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;margin:auto auto 0.5rem;display:flex;height:38px;width:672px"><button style="border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.1);font-family:inherit;font-size:0.875rem;font-weight:inherit;line-height:1.25rem;margin:0px;padding:0.5rem 0.75rem;background-image:none;border-radius:0.25rem;display:inline-flex"><div style="border:0px solid rgb(217,217,227);box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;width:153.156px">Regenerate response</div></button></div></div><br></div></form></div><div> </div></div></div>
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