<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">By the way, GPT-4 now has eyes (grounding ongoing):<br class=""><a href="https://www.trendwatching.com/innovation-of-the-day/gpt-4-works-as-virtual-pair-of-eyes-for-visually-impaired-people" class="">https://www.trendwatching.com/innovation-of-the-day/gpt-4-works-as-virtual-pair-of-eyes-for-visually-impaired-people</a></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I find the idea that images are necessary for grounding to be a silly idea. All information about the world can be encoded as text as demonstrated by the laws of physics. Of course using images as training data will provide the model with a more nuanced and accurate view of reality that it may not be easily capable of otherwise due to practical limitations.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 2, 2023, at 7:27 PM, Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">By the way, GPT-4 now has eyes (grounding ongoing):<br class=""><a href="https://www.trendwatching.com/innovation-of-the-day/gpt-4-works-as-virtual-pair-of-eyes-for-visually-impaired-people" class="">https://www.trendwatching.com/innovation-of-the-day/gpt-4-works-as-virtual-pair-of-eyes-for-visually-impaired-people</a><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 10:39 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 8:50 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">If you assume matter is fundamental (materialism) then you end up with "the hard problem of consciousness" -- how to explain the appearance of consciousness given only matter.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I may be misunderstanding something, but this does not seem to be a particularly hard problem.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Consciousness is an emergent phenomena from certain configurations of matter. There are many (many many) configurations that would qualify, though large as the set is, it is a tiny fraction - far less than one percent - of all possible combinations. It is possible to fake this to a greater or lesser degree: there are constructs that appear at first to be conscious but more detailed examination reveals it is not. Some configurations are of such greater degree that they even deceive themselves into thinking there is more to it - something perhaps fundamental about consciousness itself.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(In other words, if p-zombies could exist - which depends in part on the definitions one uses for the concepts behind p-zombies - then we would all be p-zombies.)</div></div></div>
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