<div dir="ltr"><b><a href="https://canonizer.com/videos/consciousness?chapter=differentiating+reality+and+knowledge+of+reality&format=360&t=400" target="_blank">terms that separate consciousness from physical reality</a> </b><br><div>Brent, <br>Functionalists do not do that. It is you that has an outdated understanding of what physical reality means. I have already mentioned that physical reality is made of interactions. Even the things that interact are themselves interactions. <br>It is all fields. And the fields are due to the geometrical and symmetries properties of space and time. <br><br></div><div>I watched the video you linked and it is full of fallacies and scientific mistakes from the start. What you describe is not how the brain works. And there is no such thing as a pixel of color (our visual system doesn't work like a monitor or a camera). A simple Google search would clarify issues like these but it seems you didn't bother to do these searches. It is no wonder that people are not taking you seriously when you go to neuroscience conferences and explain your theory, you have some very basic wrong assumptions about the brain that are simply wrong. Everything else then is undermined by these wrong assumptions. <br><br><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/3d0zxk/does_the_human_eye_see_in_pixels/">https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/3d0zxk/does_the_human_eye_see_in_pixels/</a><br><br>Giovanni <br><br><br><br><br><br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 7:44 PM Giovanni Santostasi <<a href="mailto:gsantostasi@gmail.com">gsantostasi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Brent,<br>I click on the link you provided and immediately I see a still from the video that says "so it can be mistaken if not correctly interpreted". I gave you all the evidence in the world that this is exactly what happens with color illusions.<div>How does your model of color account for this if it is not due to an error in interpretation? <br>Please explain.<br>Giovanni </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 7:34 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 8:31 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">What is the label for a person who thinks that "brain excitation causes experience" is wrong and that 'brain excitation IS experience'? bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 7:56 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
On 02/05/2023 02:42, Jason Resch wrote:<br>
> I don't follow why saying that "experience is" rather than "experience <br>
> is caused" escapes or answers the question of who is having the <br>
> experience.<br>
<br>
<br>
The 'who' is the neural pattern. This is the central point.<br>
<br>
I suppose you could say "experience is caused by the neural pattern, in <br>
the neural pattern", but that might be more confusing. To me at least, <br>
it's clearer to say the experience and the neural pattern are the same <br>
thing.<br>
<br>
The point is to eliminate the dualism implicit in the language used. <br>
It's not "my experience is caused by these neural patterns" (which <br>
implies the question "what am I? What is it that these patterns cause to <br>
have the experience?"), it's "I am these neural patterns, having this <br>
experience". </blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thank you Ben. All the people that use<a href="https://canonizer.com/videos/consciousness?chapter=differentiating+reality+and+knowledge+of+reality&format=360&t=400" target="_blank"> terms that separate consciousness from physical reality</a> aren't much better than <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/48-Substance-Dualism" target="_blank">dualists</a>, and non <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/17-Mind-Brain-Identity" target="_blank">mind brain identity theorists</a>, in my current opinion.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">And no, that doesn't mean only patterns created by <br>
biological neurons will do. Anything capable of producing the same <br>
patterns will produce the same result: Me.<br>
<br>
Ben<br>
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