<div><div dir="auto">Hi John,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">< something that W.B. Yeats said about that just before World War II started…></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is one of my favorite pieces of poetry as well. Unfortunately, it is very much applicable to our time. However, I don’t read it as an appeal to the rational brain, but as an appeal to the feeling heart.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">< I disagree with that, the foundation of realpolitik is practicality not ideology…></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">They aligned with the fascist party because they wanted to be left in peace. Sounds practical to me.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">< I see strong parallels between Italian fascism and its leader and modern day American fascism and its leader…></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sorry, I don’t know who is the leader of modern day American fascism. Concerning the leader of Italian fascism, there’s a recent historic novel / biography in three volumes. I read it in Italian, but I see that at least the first book has been translated:</div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/M-Century-Novel-Antonio-Scurati-ebook/dp/B09132GN4M/">https://www.amazon.com/M-Century-Novel-Antonio-Scurati-ebook/dp/B09132GN4M/</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">< And according to them one of those German professors who was stupid, petty and idiotic was Albert Einstein…></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is an interesting topic to research. I’ll do so, but my guess is that the Italian futurists were referring to those stupid, petty and idiotic German professors who condemned Einstein. I guess the Italian futurists would have found Einstein interesting, at least because he was irreverent. Throwing stones at old sacred cows and all that. I’ll research and say more.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">< Nobody says somebody doesn't have a right to do psi research, but such people do NOT have a right to demand respect from scientists for such activities…></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’m sitting on the fence with an open mind. If I were a psi researcher, I wouldn’t demand respect. I would just demand to be left in peace, like, do your research and I’ll do mine, and let experiment decide. I might criticize the anti-psi cancel mobs when they seem to forget the science that they loudly claim to defend.</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On 2023. Jun 6., Tue at 4:38, John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">At <a href="https://www.turingchurch.com/" target="_blank">Turing Church</a> <span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Giulio Prisco Wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Western culture could use an injection of vitality,</i></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><i><br></i></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font size="4">At least in the USA the problem is not a lack of vitality, it's a lack of rationality. And vitality is not necessarily a good thing if it's aimed in the wrong direction. I'm not usually big on poetry but I do remember something that W.B. Yeats said about that just before World War II started:</font><br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><font size="4"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"</span>Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. The center cannot hold.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"</span></i></font></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font size="4"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></i></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Italian futurism and fascism were not natural allies, but were essentially incompatible</i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">I once thought that American transhumanism and American fascism were completely incompatible, but around 2016 I learned to my sorrow I was entirely wrong about that.</font><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>as emphasized by top representatives of both. That many futurists joined Benito Mussolini’s fascist party was due to realpolitik more than ideology.</i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">I disagree with that, the foundation of realpolitik is practicality not ideology, and the foundation of practicality is rationality but, as events later proved, there was nothing rational about Benito Mussolini's fascism, things did <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">NOT</span> turn out the way his ideology predicted it would. I see strong parallels between Italian fascism and its leader and modern day American fascism and its leader. </font><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Italian futurists were anti-clerical, but not anti-spiritual. On the contrary, many participated in theosophical salons and were open to paranormal phenomena, life after death, spiritualism and all that.<br></i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default"><font size="4">The same thing could be said about American fascism except that they are pro clerical. And science is open to any idea, new or old, provided there is a rational reason to believe that it might be true. </font><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font></span></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I’ll now translate some passages of “La Scienza Futurista” (1916) and comment. The manifesto begins with a strong condemnation of the science establishment that, “hypnotized by the stupid books of the countless university professors of Germany,” is “superficially precise, pettily accurate, idiotically sure of its own infallibility, without any brilliant explosion.”</i><br></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">And according to them one of those German professors who was stupid, petty and idiotic was Albert Einstein.</font><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Spectral,serif,-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol""><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I don’t intend to affirm that psi is real or defend any specific result of psi research. I just want to defend the right of scientists to do psi research,</i></span></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">Nobody says somebody doesn't have a right to do psi research, but such people do <b>NOT</b> have a right to demand respect from scientists for such activities if, despite centuries of effort, they fail to come up with anything that is both interesting and repeatable. Instead the interesting stuff is not repeatable and the repeatable stuff is not interesting.</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"></blockquote><font size="4" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">John K Clark <span class="gmail_default"> </span> See what's on my new list at </font><font size="6" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis" target="_blank">Extropolis</a></font></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><br>
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