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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/06/2023 17:18, Adrian Tymes
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 7:34
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<div>Someone who points out that everyone has XX or XY
chromosomes (with the occasional abnormalities, like XYY
syndrome) are at odds with those who want to ignore
biology in favour of 'gender identity' (I know it sounds
bonkers, but look at the reactions against J K Rowling for
simply stating a fact). I have nothing against a man
wearing a skirt, or people choosing to have surger to
alter their sex organs, but I realise that if you're born
with XY chromosomes, that makes you a man, and nothing can
change that (yet). This makes me an enemy of the "you're a
girl if you say you're a girl" crowd, who don't think
chromosomes have a say in the matter.<br>
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<div dir="auto">The problem there is those who define "man" et al
as anything more than just "an adult human with XY chromosomes"
et al - and that would unfortunately appear to be the majority
of people, regardless of the science, which makes their
definition matter. This isn't just the "you are what gender you
think you are" crowd; indeed, that group arose as a reaction to
the "women are defined as baby machines who are not supposed to
earn a living"/"men are defined as mentally resilient enough
that they should never seek mental health help"/et al crowd.
The chromosomes can't be changed but those other qualities can
(to some extent: while no one with XY chromosomes has yet become
pregnant that I know of outside of extreme surgical
technicalities, most of the crowd is far more concerned with
whether those with XX chromosomes may be forced to become
pregnant and carry babies through birth against their will,
which far too many say is part of being a woman by the
definition of "woman").</div>
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<div dir="auto">One theoretical solution could be to reduce those
words to just their chromosomal meaning in popular usage. We
are so far away from that, that many view that solution as
impossible in practice.</div>
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Fine. So let's make a start. "Impossible" is a challenge, not a
limitation!<br>
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You can argue what 'man' and 'woman' (and maybe even 'male' and
'female', at a stretch) should mean, but not what 'XX' and 'XY' do
mean.<br>
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I am (as opposed to 'I identify as') an XY.<br>
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Nobody can disagree with that, it's not an opinion or a cultural
position. It's an unassailable fact, and I can prove it.<br>
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Maybe I should start wearing skirts, with a T-shirt that says "XY"
in big letters.<br>
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Ben<br>
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