<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 7:34 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Someone who points out that everyone has XX or XY
chromosomes (with the occasional abnormalities, like XYY syndrome)
are at odds with those who want to ignore biology in favour of
'gender identity' (I know it sounds bonkers, but look at the
reactions against J K Rowling for simply stating a fact). I have
nothing against a man wearing a skirt, or people choosing to have
surger to alter their sex organs, but I realise that if you're born
with XY chromosomes, that makes you a man, and nothing can change
that (yet). This makes me an enemy of the "you're a girl if you say
you're a girl" crowd, who don't think chromosomes have a say in the
matter.<br></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The problem there is those who define "man" et al as anything more than just "an adult human with XY chromosomes" et al - and that would unfortunately appear to be the majority of people, regardless of the science, which makes their definition matter. This isn't just the "you are what gender you think you are" crowd; indeed, that group arose as a reaction to the "women are defined as baby machines who are not supposed to earn a living"/"men are defined as mentally resilient enough that they should never seek mental health help"/et al crowd. The chromosomes can't be changed but those other qualities can (to some extent: while no one with XY chromosomes has yet become pregnant that I know of outside of extreme surgical technicalities, most of the crowd is far more concerned with whether those with XX chromosomes may be forced to become pregnant and carry babies through birth against their will, which far too many say is part of being a woman by the definition of "woman").</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One theoretical solution could be to reduce those words to just their chromosomal meaning in popular usage. We are so far away from that, that many view that solution as impossible in practice.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div></div>
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