<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">It seems in many cases that the decisions made about an elderly person in poor health are made by family. Or at least they are pushing a decision on the old one. This seems certain to me that they are thinking of themselves and not the old one. I think they assume that no one really wants to die and not be subjected to more medical interventions that would not prolong life more than a few months at most. As we all know, a huge part of the medical expenses in a person's life occur in the last couple of years.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">My wife's mother faced a situation where she was too weak to withstand surgery and would die if she didn't get it. They operated. She died. Who urged whom to do what I don't know. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 10:41 AM MB via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
On Sun, June 18, 2023 11:16, spike jones via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
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>>>… He very logically asked “Can we just let nature take its course?” I<br>
>>> don’t see why not. It damn well aughta be his call. spike ;<br>
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>>…You mean it isn't? He cannot refuse? Has he been declared mentally<br>
>> incompetent? bill w<br>
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> Billw, his children have been pressuring him to go forward with it. I<br>
> chose to keep my mouth shut, being as it isn’t my genetic family.<br>
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> spike<br>
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This is one of the nightmares old (or terminally ill) people face. One<br>
can only hope that the family really is on the same page as the old/ill<br>
person. I have certainly tried with my kids to discuss End Times and what<br>
I want. Papers have been signed, notarized, and are on file with doctors<br>
and hospitals.<br>
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Eventually we may see how it works out: will they follow through or be<br>
seduced by greedy medicals or misplaced "love". Reading things like<br>
spike's scenario, one is left hoping for sudden death, so they don't get a<br>
chance to have second thoughts and prolong things until money runs out.<br>
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Regards,<br>
MB<br>
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