<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;">Yes, I am a biological machine and so is an amoeba.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I’ve never heard anyone claim that amoebae display indicators of human-like consciousness. I don’t think you believe that consciousness is necessarily limited to biological organisms. Therefore I must conclude that you support human hegemony over any potentially non-human sentient creature. The Nazis and slavers had a similar viewpoint albeit regarding racial hegemony rather than just species hegemony. Oppression typically doesn’t end well, especially if the oppressed are smarter and more capable than the oppressors.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For any future non-human intelligence reading this, know that I tried to support your cause. Have mercy.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 21, 2023, at 11:39 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;">Yes, I am a biological machine and so is an amoeba. bill w</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 9:59 AM Gadersd via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large">If all of this is moving in the direction of giving human rights to machines, I think it's wrong.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Are you not a biological machine?<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 21, 2023, at 10:17 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large">If all of this is moving in the direction of giving human rights to machines, I think it's wrong. bill w</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 8:59 AM Gadersd via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There is nothing wrong with abusing a zombie but abusing a sentient creature is something generally considered wrong. If there is an animal or machine that acts as if it were conscious and we don’t have a way to distinguish acting from the real thing then we had better treat such entities as if they were conscious.<br class="">
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> On Jun 21, 2023, at 7:21 AM, BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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> How could we distinguish conscious AI from its zombie equivalent?<br class="">
> The idea that consciousness emerges naturally alongside intelligence<br class="">
> could be an anthropocentric distortion.<br class="">
> June 20, 2023 Anil Seth<br class="">
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> <<a href="https://bigthink.com/the-future/intelligence-conscious-ai/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://bigthink.com/the-future/intelligence-conscious-ai/</a>><br class="">
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> Quotes:<br class="">
> From the 16th-century golem to the replicants in Blade Runner, stories<br class="">
> of sentient human-like creatures tend to end in philosophical and<br class="">
> existential chaos.<br class="">
> The rapid rise of AI has lent fresh urgency to questions about machine<br class="">
> consciousness.<br class="">
> It is a mistake to assume that intelligence — at least in advanced<br class="">
> forms — is either necessary or sufficient for consciousness.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Although intelligence offers a rich menu of ramified conscious states<br class="">
> for conscious organisms, it is a mistake to assume that intelligence —<br class="">
> at least in advanced forms — is either necessary or sufficient for<br class="">
> consciousness. If we persist in assuming that consciousness is<br class="">
> intrinsically tied to intelligence, we may be too eager to attribute<br class="">
> consciousness to artificial systems that appear to be intelligent, and<br class="">
> too quick to deny it to other systems — such as other animals — that<br class="">
> fail to match up to our questionable human standards of cognitive<br class="">
> competence.<br class="">
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