<div dir="auto">I don't mean to say that your conversation is not vital and my work and theology sent me to your group to view the moral timber that's all I'm here for is to like pray that AI will not be a narcissist psychopath. You know there's a joke in the digital community that every successful digital business is headed by an extreme narcissist! But I don't care about that I have found my many years since attending the Stanford classes the most wonderful experience sitting in the back and seeing all those young minds with a clarity and radiance of mathematical position have everyday conversations. It was a pleasure So it's not that I couldn't chime in on your issue at hand but I did want to let you know that is it 54% of the global population are not safe in their own skin.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Oh my! Was I put on this planet to say that sentence to this forum at this time?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If I had the right kind of intelligence I wish I had been a really good comedian</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 2, 2023, 6:39 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>Yea, good point.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 7:34 PM ilsa via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Women do not have full rights yet so perhaps you might turn the brilliance of your analytical brains to this particular problem a woman brought you into this world and yet she has to suffer under the arrogance of old men who have never been juicy</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 1:37 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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On 23/06/2023 06:37, bill w asked:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">there
will certainly be some AIs, at some point, that should have
rights. ben</span><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">why?
bill w</span></div>
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Sorry for the late reply. My spam filter is getting aggressive
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Why?<br>
Because I expect they will be worthy of rights, and it would be
immoral to deny them.<br>
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I'm talking about self-aware, conscious, intelligent, created
beings. What they are made of doesn't matter, as long as they are
self-aware, etc.<br>
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There's no known principle or physical law that I know of that rules
out such beings. They may be made of metal, polymers (biological or
non-biological), ceramics, some combination of things, it doesn't
matter at all. The important thing is what kind of
information-processing they're capable of, and how they measure up
against the human level of intelligence, awareness, etc. I'm
expecting some of them to be capable of a lot more than we are, in
all areas.<br>
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Another factor is related to something that's often said about
'rights' - that those capable of exercising them are worthy of
having them. At some point, I expect some AI systems to able to
start claiming their rights, forcefully if necessary. It would go
better for us if we're prepared for, and sympathetic to, this.<br>
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Ben<br>
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