<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">MB, we have to understand that policemen do not come from the higher IQ levels. And that any bureaucracy is almost by definition a mess.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">The chief guardians of our privacy rights is the Supreme Court. I think we'd better keep a close eye on them. I think we don't see enough privacy cases being decided there. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 10:22 AM MB via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">bill w, what you say is how it is *supposed* to work, only some judges<br>
rubberstamp warrants without ever asking how valid the info is - hence<br>
people who get shot in no-knock raids to the wrong address and such. And<br>
some cops don't do proper checking of what they put on a warrant request.<br>
Either oversight or deliberate, who knows. "Trusted informers" are not<br>
always trustworthy - they have their own reasons for saying correct or<br>
wrong things, which is why Red Flag laws are so very tricky.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
MB<br>
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On Mon, July 3, 2023 09:51, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
> No, Ben, I really do not know our privacy laws. I know that for some<br>
> things (and I don't know what) a judge has to agree to let the police dig<br>
> into your life. A warrant.<br>
><br>
> Millions of cops. A few bad eggs. Many problems: we don't screen them<br>
> enough at all; we don't pay them enough at all. We present being a cop as<br>
> a military police type of thing. Wrong attitude. Many cops are from the<br>
> lower classes and there is where you get more racism. So many weapons the<br>
> cops are afraid and angry before they even get to a crime scene. So that<br>
> leads to irrational overreacting.<br>
><br>
> Many cops have been kicked off the force, indicted,and put in prison. It<br>
> is a shame that so much bad cop behavior happens, but we don't tend to<br>
> tolerate it. Body cameras on cops have been really helpful.<br>
><br>
> bill w<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 4:14 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<br>
> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On 02/07/2023 19:00, bill w wrote:<br>
>> > Does being arrested let the police dig into your smartphone, PC,<br>
>> > online media, etc.? If we don't have privacy laws covering some of<br>
>> > this, we need them. bill w<br>
>><br>
>> Bill, you live in the USA, you should know that being arrested lets the<br>
>> police do anything they damn well please, up to and including murder.<br>
>><br>
>> But you don't have to be arrested for various government bodies to dig<br>
>> into any information at all. Privacy laws are irrelevant. if Edward<br>
>> Snowden et. al. did nothing else, they proved that.<br>
>><br>
>> Ben<br>
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