<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 11:46 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Direct, clear explanations can get concepts across, but relying on individuals or groups to realize things without them being pointed out has a significant failure rate.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That makes sense.  I'll keep that in mind.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 1:19 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Wrong, as already demonstrated in non-AI contexts, from factors that AI self improvement does not change.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 10:54 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>Then they will eventually fail, leaving only those that can improve towards only playing win / win games to head into the singularity, right?</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 11:46 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 10:23 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>So all sufficiently intelligent systems must realize this</div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It is generally a fallacy to assume that any specific realization will happen, pretty much ever.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Direct, clear explanations can get concepts across, but relying on individuals or groups to realize things without them being pointed out has a significant failure rate.</div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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