<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">The problem with addiction is just like any other problem that involves change in thinking or behavior. It's like the psychiatrist joke: How many of them does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but the bulb has to want to be changed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">I do wonder just how many of the homeless really want to change. If their addiction is strong, like as in heroin, and they are getting their fixes, they may put up with any conditions to keep things like they are.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">And then there are the mentally ill. In LA 25% are mentally ill. What are they going to do, since many if not most of them cannot hold a job? The movement in psychiatry for decades now has been to move patients from big institutions to local ones and I don't think that has worked very well. Then there are the mentally retarded: below 70 IQ are about 3% of the population, and a small number are in institutions - primarily the ones below about 55. IQ 60 and above can hold jobs. Mentally retarded, alcoholic, and drug addicted - the triple whammy.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Do the mentally ill, such as thousands of them in SF, get any treatment at all? Spike?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:51 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 9:41 AM BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The homeless problem can be solved. Basically by providing affordable<br>
housing and supporting people while they recover.<br>
See: <<a href="https://calmatters.org/commentary/2023/02/homeless-california-housing-solution-data/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://calmatters.org/commentary/2023/02/homeless-california-housing-solution-data/</a>><br>
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The problem that the US has is historical. The attitude that it is not<br>
a government concern. That it is up to people to look after themselves and<br>
arrange their own housing, medical care, etc. Now the cost to society<br>
of dealing with the homeless has become more than the cost of solving<br>
the crisis.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It might be better to say "patched" or "alleviated", as "solved" implies a one-time permanent solution. As you note, like police, fire fighting, and medical service, this would be an ongoing expense from the government to prevent a larger collective expense paid collectively. We're all paying the cost anyway, so if it can be a lower cost by going through taxes, less expensive is less expensive. </div></div></div>
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