<div><br></div><div>On 2023. Aug 16., Wed at 17:56, John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 5:20 AM Giulio Prisco <</span><a href="mailto:giulio@gmail.com" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" target="_blank">giulio@gmail.com</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I once did NOT call myself a libertarian because I didn't like the<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>excessive emphasis on property and guns.</i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">Because I'm a material being I like the emphasis on property, but I was never a big fan of guns. These days the only part of the US Constitution "libertarians" give a shit about is the second amendment<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">;</span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">f</span>orget about torture and the lack of freedom of the press, <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">for </span>them 1984 would be a paradise if people were just allowed to keep their guns.   </font><div><br></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span> <i>I prefer Trump to cancel culture.<br></i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">I just don't understand how you can say that!. Yes extreme wokeness <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">is </span>stupid and it<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>can be annoying but it's not catastrophic<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">, however</span> handing the keys to a nuclear missile submarine over to a fascist imbecile who broke the 250 year tradition of a peaceful transfer of power by staging an unsuccessful coup d'état<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> would be</span>.  And Trump is also the most anti-libertarian president in American history; women should not have the right to <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">have </span>control o<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">f</span> their own bodies, the freedom of the press should be limited so that the president can sue reporters if they say something he doesn't like, the federal government should stop the states from legalizing marijuana, laws should be strengthened to stop people from reading pornography....</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I didn’t say that I like Trump. I said that I prefer Trump to woke cancel “culture,” like I would prefer losing one leg to losing both. The woke “culture” of whining and mobbing instead of striving and arguing will have catastrophic consequences if we don’t stop it now.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><font size="4"></font><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>now I do call myself a<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>libertarian, or at least a libertarian at heart, because today's"culture" in the West is becoming anti-libertarian and this must be<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>stopped.</i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">For nearly 8 years I've been asking, almost begging, <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>people who called themselves libertarians<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> to explain to me how they can feel any emotion other than contempt or revulsion for a creature like Donald Trump, but I never received an answer that contained even a fragment of rationality. </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">In fact I was kicked off the </span>Extropian List<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> for asking that question too often. </span></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I'm a libertarian in the true sense of the word: one whothinks that one should be free to think/speak/do whatever the fuck he<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>likes as long as he doesn't interfere with the freedom of others to do<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>the same.</i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">I agree completely.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> But</span> you expect that if Trump is back in the White House<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> it will help to achieve that noble goal </span>?!<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">!</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>  </font></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No, and I hope you guys will choose another Republican candidate. But again, continuing with current trends would be so detrimental to that noble goal than everything is better than that.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><font size="4"></font></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div></div></div>

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