<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">People who think that they are another sex usually have known it for a long time. It goes far beyond wanting to wear flowery dresses. In one famous case, a baby with flawed genitalia was surgically made into a female and raised that way.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Later on he/she said that he knew all along he was male, got the operation and married and had kids (adopted I assume). bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 2:36 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Men do tend to have better spatial/logic reasoning.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also, transwomen have the benefit of usually decades of education as an encultured man. Getting treated like you're better at chess will make you better at chess, or make you work harder and happier, at least.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The women's leagues exist because women are shut out of those kinds of spaces. I think the reason they are banning transwomen is that it seems like a bit of an exploit to spend your life in those spaces as a man, reaping the benefits, and then switching over.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The whole issue is a fucking minefield. I think if people were less fucked up by environmental toxins, and less fucked up by mental toxins, and humans of both sexes were allowed to express themselves better, the whole nu-trans fad wouldn't really be a thing. Wanting to wear flamboyant or flowing clothing as a man, or have long, beautiful hair, doesn't mean you have to get crippling life-altering and life-shortening surgery that chains you to a lifelong medication regime. I think most of these people don't really understand the lives they might be in for, especially kids. Seems to me to have low levels of truly informed consent.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 17, 2023, 5:44 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>…</b>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Darin Sunley via extropy-chat<br><b>…</b><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…I would think the consistent heuristic would be that, in just about any competitive environment, trans-women should be grouped with the cis-group whom their score distribution most resembles…<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Well there is this: the sport of chess sidesteps the whole locker room issue.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I hez to bring this up, but I will, somewhat cautiously: Competition math is completely dominated by XYs, and they don’t have a women’s division in that sport. From what I can tell, competition math is even more male dominated than chess. Don’t know why: that sport doesn’t require or benefit from testosterone as far as I can tell.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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