<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Spike, it's just so evident that people are talking about consciousness etc. for a software program that still yields wrong answers. Do you not think that uploading is an issue that is very far from relevant, given current technology? I have no problem with people dreaming, of course. Talking of consciousness when no one is able to define it or tell when it is there. I suppose I am overreacting to ideas that are very far from being implemented and for now are just being played with. Maybe I should just retract the post. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 10:29 AM Gregory Jones <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>...>...height of wishful thinking...cart, horse inversion, gun jumping, etc...</div><div><br></div>Billw, you will need to offer a bit of evidence to back up that strong statement. You offered us an opinion only. Granted it is one shared by most of humanity.<div><br></div><div>Regarding your question of asking ChatGPT to write in the style of a 12 yr old, it can. It does a better job of writing in 12 yr old than a smart 12 yr old. Not as good as a dumb one, but they are working that.</div><div><br></div><div>But do explain why you are so confident that uploading to immortality is not rational please. Note that I am not necessarily disagreeing. But I want to hear your reasoning.</div><div><br></div><div>spike</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 8:20 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It seems that many of us want AIs to be people: conscious, with emotions and so forth. I suggest that this stems from wanting uploading to work so we can be immortal and have all the same lives we have now.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I suggest that this is the height of wishful thinking. And putting the cart WAY before the horse. Jumping the gun, etc. Not rational. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 10:08 AM efc--- via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I'm currently a materialist and find many good points in scientism, so if <br>
I have a box or a robot, that convinces me in every aspect that it is conscious<br>
by acting as if it was conscious, that's conscious for me.<br>
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I do not subscribe to unique qualia or "redness" experiences, therefore, I <br>
cannot see a problem with the good old turing.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Daniel<br>
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2023, Gregory Jones via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
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> BillW's question regarding the instructor's task of distinguishing between a student and AI puts a final nail in the coffin of<br>
> Turing's test. Artificial intelligence is able create an illusion of consciousness so convincing, we are still debating if it really<br>
> is the real thing, all while failing to adequately define precisely what we mean by "real." <br>
> spike<br>
> <br>
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