<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 1:09 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_5772843927910383638WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Resch via extropy-chat<br><br><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><br>It is because of that (nuclei holding together against an enormous repulsive force in the positive particles) that physicists discovered quantum mechanics. Cool!<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…I thought it was Planck investigating black body radiation and Einstein explaining the photoelectric effect in terms of photons. What result are you referring to here?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jason <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Ja, that was the particle/wave dual nature of light. Even before that was worked out, the physics community understood they had some big problems with the standard model of the atom. Mesons came to the rescue, but only if we resort to a weird explanation for how they came about.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Fun aside: when I was in high school physics, they avoided talking about why nuclei didn’t fly apart. In my tragically misguided teenage mind, I had to theorize that at some sufficiently small scale, gravity does somehow overpower the electromagnetic force. </p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Don't be too hard on yourself. It's now believed that sufficiently high energy protons slamming into each other can create micro black holes, where gravity does win out and hold the protons together. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_hole">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_hole</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So you were on to something.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Since it would retain it's charge, perhaps such a micro black hole could hold a pair of electrons and behave chemically like a helium atom?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_5772843927910383638WordSection1"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> But I didn’t understand why, nor did I understand what scale was necessary to cause that to happen. I was most pleased, overjoyed even, giddy, when I learned there was this other force that holds nuclei together.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">High school friends asked what was the big Chessie cat grin about. I explained it was about…<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">…the joy that I found <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">ever since the meson came around, <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">that force put me at the top of the world…<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">(I musically explained, breaking out into the then-popular Carpenters song.) <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I developed a reputation for being the weirdest cat they ever saw. Oh it was so worth it, for that was a happy day for me.</p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">😂</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_5772843927910383638WordSection1"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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