<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">I think that whatever the global megacorporations will obey is the government we will have. They will do the planning of the economy because they 'are' the economy. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 6:12 AM efc--- via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello Gadersd,<br>
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Gadersd via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
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> laws and governments remains to permit this option. I dread a future<br>
> in which centralization has the whole of humanity trapped within a<br>
> singular regime. I am not sure how AI will change the competitive<br>
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I agree. This is one of my biggest fears as well. If we look at humanity<br>
at large, it does look as if there is a historical trend of ever greater<br>
consolidation and centralization. From families on the savannah, to<br>
tribes, to cities, to city states, to many countries and kingdoms and<br>
today to the 200:ish countries we have.<br>
<br>
If the trend continues, and once there is a world government in place,<br>
there will be no place to run in case of corruption or malfunctioning of<br>
the system.<br>
<br>
Makes one wonder if that in turn, will generate a future like in The<br>
Expanse or The moon is a harsh mistress, where we expand outwards away<br>
from the centralized tyrrany and if the colonies will once again break<br>
free, to then start the cycle of centralization again?<br>
<br>
Or will we end up in a utopian Star trek universe where all is good and<br>
everything is post scarcity, despite the centralized governing function?<br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
Daniel<br>
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>> On Oct 4, 2023, at 5:40 PM, efc--- via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> True. ;)<br>
>> <br>
>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Brent Allsop wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> And democracy is the first step, but you still suffer from politics.<br>
>> <br>
>> Well, on a more serious note, corona was the final straw that made me<br>
>> lose all hope in democracy as a sustainable long term way of running<br>
>> society. Haven't bothered to vote since then, and don't know if I ever<br>
>> will.<br>
>> <br>
>> When it comes to living life the way I want to live it, I am a proponent<br>
>> of the following techniques:<br>
>> <br>
>> 1. Voting with your feet (this is the most amount of voting I do). 2. Incorporating yourself. 3. Find good lawyers or read the law book yourself to use the system<br>
>> against itself, and to make it work for you.<br>
>> <br>
>> But voting... I think I'm done with that game.<br>
>> <br>
>> Best regards, Daniel<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>>> And of course the solution to that is giving every lost soul at the bottom a voice (no censoring) and building and tracking consensus<br>
>>> so things can scale.<br>
>>> Once you find enough people that want the same thing you do, it will just happen.<br>
>>> Building and tracking consensus is the only hard part of getting anything done.<br>
>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 2:17 PM efc--- via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Or was it "the last politician strangled with the entrails of the last<br>
>>> politician."? ;)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best regards,<br>
>>> Daniel<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, 1 Oct 2023, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> > “Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.” Diderot<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > bill w<br>
>>> ><br>
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