<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I'm not a fan of the concept "justice" without the machinery underneath</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">defined. Otherwise it is just an empty term. So that's why I'm wondering</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">about collapsing some of them into the others. daniel</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">This sounds like a multiple regression type problem. Why not let some AI parse this one? Maybe everything on the list will collapse into the Golden Rule. bill w<br><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Best regards,</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Daniel</span><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:53 PM <efc@swisscows.email> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Another interesting question is if some of those values can be collapsed <br>
into others.<br>
<br>
I'm not a fan of the concept "justice" without the machinery underneath <br>
defined. Otherwise it is just an empty term. So that's why I'm wondering <br>
about collapsing some of them into the others.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sun, 26 Nov 2023, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
<br>
> Saving this! THis is great - thanks Stuart.<br>
> <br>
> Commentary by S. Freud:<br>
> <br>
> The law to love your enemies is the most impossible thing to follow in any religion. <br>
> <br>
> bill w<br>
> <br>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:13 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> This is wonderful. Thank you for sharing it.<br>
> Jason<br>
> <br>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:41 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I asked ChatGPT what set of moral values lay at the intersection of the<br>
> sets of all values espoused by the major religions of the world with<br>
> explicit references to their sacred texts. This was its answer and its<br>
> answer gave me hope that AI can help end the culture wars. So here are<br>
> the Five Moral Imperatives shared by the world's major religions:<br>
><br>
> The Golden Rule and Reciprocity:<br>
><br>
> Christianity: "So in everything, do to others what you would have them<br>
> do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12,<br>
> New Testament)<br>
> Judaism: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow man. This is<br>
> the law: all the rest is commentary." (Talmud, Shabbat 31a)<br>
> Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother<br>
> what he wishes for himself." (Hadith of Prophet Muhammad, Bukhari and<br>
> Muslim)<br>
> Hinduism: "This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause<br>
> pain if done to you." (Mahabharata 5:1517)<br>
> Buddhism: "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find<br>
> hurtful." (Udana-Varga 5.18)<br>
> Sikhism: "As you deem yourself, deem others as well; only then you shall<br>
> become a partner in heaven." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1299)<br>
><br>
> Compassion and Love:<br>
><br>
> Christianity: "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have<br>
> loved you, so you must love one another." (John 13:34, New Testament)<br>
> Judaism: "Love your neighbor as yourself." (Leviticus 19:18, Torah)<br>
> Islam: "And lower to them the wing of humility out of mercy and say, 'My<br>
> Lord, have mercy upon them as they brought me up [when I was] small.'"<br>
> (Quran 17:24)<br>
> Hinduism: "The whole world is full of God's glory; serve all beings as<br>
> God." (Ramayana, Yuddha Kanda 115.33)<br>
> Buddhism: "Radiate boundless love towards the entire world." (Buddha,<br>
> Sutta Nipata 149-150)<br>
> Sikhism: "One who recognizes the One Lord among all beings does not talk<br>
> of ego." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 99)<br>
><br>
> Justice and Fairness:<br>
><br>
> Christianity: "Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the<br>
> poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly."<br>
> (Leviticus 19:15, Torah)<br>
> Judaism: "Justice, justice shall you pursue." (Deuteronomy 16:20, Torah)<br>
> Islam: "O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in<br>
> justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or<br>
> parents and relatives." (Quran 4:135)<br>
> Hinduism: "Justice, when it is corrupted, destroys; but when it is<br>
> upheld, it upholds the world." (Mahabharata 12.131.6)<br>
> Buddhism: "Conquer the angry man by love; conquer the ill-natured man by<br>
> goodness; conquer the miser with generosity; conquer the liar with<br>
> truth." (Dhammapada 223)<br>
> Sikhism: "Justice is the mint, courage the brave coin. When the coin of<br>
> justice is made, it is tested by courage." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1088)<br>
><br>
> Charity and Generosity:<br>
><br>
> Christianity: "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide<br>
> purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that<br>
> will never fail." (Luke 12:33, New Testament)<br>
> Judaism: "Do not be hard-hearted or tight-fisted toward your poor<br>
> brother." (Deuteronomy 15:7, Torah)<br>
> Islam: "The example of those who spend their wealth in the Way of Allah<br>
> is like that of a grain that sprouts seven ears, and in every ear there<br>
> are a hundred grains." (Quran 2:261)<br>
> Hinduism: "The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray."<br>
> (Yajur Veda)<br>
> Buddhism: "If beings knew, as I know, the result of giving and sharing,<br>
> they would not eat without having given." (Itivuttaka 26)<br>
> Sikhism: "Serve the True Guru, and you shall obtain the fruits of your<br>
> heart's desires." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1299)<br>
><br>
> Truth and Honesty:<br>
><br>
> Christianity: "Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak<br>
> truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body."<br>
> (Ephesians 4:25, New Testament)<br>
> Judaism: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."<br>
> (Exodus 20:16, Torah)<br>
> Islam: "O you who have believed, fear Allah and be with those who are<br>
> true." (Quran 9:119)<br>
> Hinduism: "The truth which satisfies the heart is true." (Mahabharata<br>
> 5:124.9)<br>
> Buddhism: "In speech that is gentle, truthful, and beneficial, one<br>
> should address others." (Anguttara Nikaya 10.176)<br>
> Sikhism: "Truth is the trade of the Guru's children; practice truth in<br>
> your mind." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 471)<br>
><br>
> As a human being, I am deeply moved by this and hopeful for a bright<br>
> future where men and machines explore the galaxy together.<br>
><br>
> Stuart LaForge<br>
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