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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/11/2023 20:14, bill w wrote:<br>
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<span
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not a fan of the concept "justice" without the machinery
underneath</span><br
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<span
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Otherwise it is just an empty term. So that's why I'm wondering</span><br
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<span
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collapsing some of them into the others. daniel</span><br
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This sounds like a multiple regression type problem. Why not let
some AI parse this one? Maybe everything on the list will
collapse into the Golden Rule. bill w</blockquote>
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I've never been a fan of the golden rule. It basically assumes that
everyone is the same, that what's good/desirable for me is always
good/desirable for everyone else, and vice-versa. This is clearly
not true. People who are anti-choice regarding abortion, for
example, are following the golden rule in imposing their values on
other people.<br>
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'Universal values' has a nice ring to it, and it's tempting to think
that such things must exist, but I have my doubts. Using religious
quotes to express them is even more dubious, especially as there is
a strong tendency for religions to recast all these values into a
single command to Do As You're Told Without Question. You certainly
won't see one very important fundamental value in any religion that
I know of: "Question Everything". Without that one, none of the
others is worth a damn, imo, because they cease to be values and
become commandments instead.<br>
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Ben<br>
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