<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 12:49 AM Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">"Diaspora" and Egan's "Permutation City" should be required reading. For everyone, really, but especially for this list.<div><br></div><div>They're both significantly less remote than they used to be.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Diaspora-Greg-Egan-ebook/dp/B00E83YOEI" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Diaspora-Greg-Egan-ebook/dp/B00E83YOEI</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, plus everything else by Greg Egan up to and including Zendegi. I haven't been impressed by Egan's works after Zendegi. I still have to read his last novel, "Scale."<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 4:46 PM Darin Sunley <<a href="mailto:dsunley@gmail.com" target="_blank">dsunley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">This fragmentation dynamic is /the/ major theme of Diaspora, by Greg Egan, as it affects both biological and digital sentience, human-descended and otherwise.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 3:25 PM Kelly Anderson via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">ChatGPT says that, "one notable example is the works of Peter F.<br>
Hamilton, whose sci-fi novels often include humans who have evolved<br>
into subspecies, influenced by technology, ideology, and biology." Has<br>
anyone read Hamilton's books? Worth the read??<br>
<br>
-Kelly<br>
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On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 10:45 AM efc--- via extropy-chat<br>
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> Hmm, I think I've read about something like that, in one or more science<br>
> fiction books. Sadly they did not leave enough of an imprint for me to<br>
> remember the names of them. And the fact that the divergence was so big as<br>
> to have created separate species was not the main plot, but just a<br>
> parenthesis.<br>
><br>
> As for the fate of humanity, depending on what "go to completion" means,<br>
> I'm voting for many, many more centuries and not decades.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Daniel<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, 3 Dec 2023, Keith Henson via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
><br>
> > " next few centuries of transhumanism,"<br>
> ><br>
> > I doubt this. Whatever the fate of humanity is, it will go to<br>
> > completion within decades, not centuries.<br>
> ><br>
> > Keith<br>
> ><br>
> > On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 1:43 AM Kelly Anderson via extropy-chat<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> I doubt this is a novel train of thought... but...<br>
> >><br>
> >> One of the more interesting ways that transhumanism could be "bad" is<br>
> >> the idea that over the next few centuries of transhumanism, different<br>
> >> "species" of human could rapidly evolve (though not through natural<br>
> >> selection, unnaturally) into islands of trans-humans that can no<br>
> >> longer interbreed. By creating this rapidly dividing delta in the<br>
> >> river of hominid divergence, it could create interesting dynamics of<br>
> >> "us" and "them" which could lead to a destructive fragmentation of<br>
> >> society.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I welcome science fiction along these lines...<br>
> >><br>
> >> -Kelly<br>
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