<div dir="ltr">IQ is supposed to be a relative measure - relative to other people at the time the measurement was taken. IQs in 1980 do not correlate 1-to-1 to IQs in 2000; those who score 100 in newer tests will, almost without exception, score better than 100 if they are given decades-old versions of the test.<div><br></div><div>So it would be accurate to say that the same measured intelligence is reflected by a lower score in more recent years. This does not mean there is less intelligence.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 4:30 PM efc--- via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I heard or read somewhere that some are arguing that IQ overall is <br>
dropping. On ther other hand... is it "IQ" or is it just education in <br>
general which means that IQ might just as well be unchanged, it is how we <br>
use our hardware that is dropping and not the capacity of the hardware <br>
itself.<br>
<br>
Another factor might be a decrease in religiousness? Many <br>
"formal" religions encourage children and family values, and when that is <br>
replaced by eclectic and personal religion, or atheism/agnosticism (which <br>
I have experienced in greater nr when it comes to (in my opinion) high IQ <br>
people) that would be another factor (among the others) pushing down the <br>
nr of children.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, 30 Dec 2023, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
<br>
> If we're lucky, a universe tiled with conscious simulations of early 21st century humans asking these questions.<br>
> If we're not so lucky, a universe tiled with hashes of jpegs of smiling humans.<br>
> <br>
> Evolution and selection pressures aren't in the driver's seat anymore. There nowhere near enough time remaining for that.<br>
> <br>
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2023, 10:22 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> So my question is: since more highly talented people have fewer children will the IQ in a sense go down with time? I<br>
> sometimes wonder about Jews - higher average than most (but not as high as people think) and their birthrate is low.<br>
> <br>
> Does it follow that talent in the general population will diminish over time?<br>
> <br>
> We do know that birth rate goes down when life becomes better: better nutrition, better access to health care, and so on.<br>
> <br>
> What's the future? bill w<br>
> <br>
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 8:37 AM BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 13:27, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br>
> <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > When I first knew this there were no links. So for current opinion I asked Chat gpt3.5<br>
> > Chat - high iq people have fewer kids<br>
> > ChatGPT<br>
> > The relationship between a person's intelligence quotient (IQ) and their family size is a complex and<br>
> multifaceted one, and it's influenced by numerous factors including cultural, social, economic, and personal<br>
> choices. Here are a few key points to consider:<br>
> ><br>
> > Educational and career aspirations: Some studies have suggested that individuals with higher IQs may be more<br>
> likely to pursue higher education and career goals, which can delay the decision to have children. They may<br>
> prioritize their careers and personal development before starting a family.<br>
> ><br>
> > Socioeconomic factors: Higher IQ is often associated with higher socioeconomic status, and individuals in higher<br>
> income brackets tend to have fewer children. This could be due to factors like the cost of raising children and the<br>
> desire to maintain a certain lifestyle.<br>
> <snip><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
> <br>
><br>
> I asked Claude AI, and it agreed but pointed out that the effect is<br>
> more significant for women.<br>
> Claude -<br>
> High-IQ women tend to have fewer children than lower-IQ women.<br>
> The difference is less consistent for men.<br>
> Education levels, which correlate with IQ, also predict fertility.<br>
> More educated women tend to have fewer children.<br>
> The association is weaker for men.<br>
> ---------<br>
><br>
> This is implying that increased living standards, women's rights,<br>
> education, incomes, etc. may be the fertility deciding factors.<br>
> (With some correlation with IQ).<br>
><br>
> BillK<br>
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