<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 9:48 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><blockquote type="cite" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><pre><div dir="auto">thought experiments I've
provided which demonstrate it's truth, however, if that makes you feel
better. jason</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>SCientific proof is not provided by thought 'experiments'. No value of 'true'. billw</div><div dir="auto"></div></pre></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Science depends not only on observation, but also logic and reasoning.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When there are three possibilities and two are logically ruled out, what do you call that? Is such reasoning not a necessary part of science?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There are only two opinions for the question of whether or not you survive the teleportation machine: either you survive, or you don't.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Answering that you don't requires making a bunch of unfounded assumptions regarding dualistic souls metaphysically attached to bodies, etc.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is discarding such unnecessary assumptions not also what science does?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When we perform the experiment personally and find that our consciousness survives the procedure, is that also not an experimental confirmation? Again, science.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><blockquote type="cite" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><pre><div dir="auto"><br></div></pre></blockquote></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 7:30 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 6:01 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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From what I can see, none of what you claim about Open Individualism
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</div><div dir="auto">It corresponds to thought experiments (i.e., logic and rationality better
than the alternatives). It corresponds to Occam's razor better than the
alternatives, as it makes fewer assumptions, it corresponds to laws of
probability better than the alternatives, which are exceedingly
improbable compared to it. You can keep repeating to yourself that it's
not scientific, and continue to ignore the thought experiments I've
provided which demonstrate it's truth, however, if that makes you feel
better.</div></pre>
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That might be the best course. Your thought experiments don't make
any sense to me, and apart from making some people feel better about
their lives, I still see no practical use of the idea, or any way to
prove or disprove it.<br></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If they make no sense you should ask clarifying questions. I said I would explain/answer anything I could.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">P.S.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Why do you create a new thread with every reply?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div>
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