<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">A friend of mine started this project in an attempt to have a machine create “true art.” He started this long before the AI revolution btw. He argues that he has created creative bots. 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School essays already may as well be</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>copies of one another, made according to algorithms. Is it really shocking at all that AI can pump out the same commodified crap</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>people already do—essays, ad copy, tutorials, illustrations, web design?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>When an AI can create *of its own volition* works of art that hang in museums, then it passes the test.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>AI can already be used by skilled humans to make true Art, but when it makes some itself then I’ll be convinced</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 10:58 AM Gregory Jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> BillW's question regarding the instructor's task of distinguishing between a student and AI puts a final nail in the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> coffin of Turing's test. Artificial intelligence is able create an illusion of consciousness so convincing, we are still</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> debating if it really is the real thing, all while failing to adequately define precisely what we mean by "real." </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>spike</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>extropy-chat mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span></blockquote><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>extropy-chat mailing list</span><br><span>extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</span><br><span>http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>