<div dir="auto">Before the current generation of image generators, there was an effort to make a "Creative Adversarial Network", which I write about here:<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://alwaysasking.com/when-will-ai-take-over/#Art">https://alwaysasking.com/when-will-ai-take-over/#Art</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">He created a new type of AI he calls a Creative Adversarial Network or (CAN). The goal of a CAN is to create novelty: for example artwork in styles different from what it’s seen before.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Accordingly, artwork produced by a CAN leans towards abstract pieces. Elgammal said, “I am surprised by the output every time I run it.” </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 28, 2024, 8:31 PM Henry Rivera via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">A friend of mine started this project in an attempt to have a machine create “true art.” He started this long before the AI revolution btw. He argues that he has created creative bots. You be the judge. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="display:block"><div style="display:inline-block" role="link"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;display:block;width:228px;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none" rel="nofollow noreferrer" href="https://www.cloudpainter.com/" dir="ltr" role="button" width="228" target="_blank"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:228px;background-color:#dfdfe1;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="228"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><img style="width:228px;height:228px" width="228" height="228" alt="cloudpainter_logo_600wide_colorssquare.png" src="cid:32BA28E7-06A9-4345-8C8A-58F8638E71B9"></td></tr><tr><td><table bgcolor="#DFDFE1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="228" style="font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;table-layout:fixed;background-color:rgba(223,223,225,1)"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:8px 0px 8px 0px"><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px 0px 16px;overflow:hidden"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:500;font-size:12px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left"><a rel="nofollow noreferrer" href="https://www.cloudpainter.com/" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><font color="#000000" style="color:rgba(0,0,0,1)">Pindar Van Arman's cloudpainter</font></a></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left"><a rel="nofollow noreferrer" href="https://www.cloudpainter.com/" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><font color="#A2A2A9" style="color:rgba(60,60,67,0.6)">cloudpainter.com</font></a></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><br></div><div dir="ltr">-Henry</div><div dir="ltr"><br><div dir="ltr"></div><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 28, 2024, at 5:37 PM, efc--- via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>From my position as a teacher it is pretty easy to spot the difference since many students don't even bother to change the output.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Most just put the raw output of a chat gpt question in a document and present it as their own, so when 70-100% of the text is the same, it is easy to slap a cheat label on them.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The same for coding assignments when you can get 10-15 students with the exact same variable names, structure, and order of calls.</span><br><span></span><br><span>But... a highly motivated cheater who actually applies some intelligence to the task will of course be able to cheat way more easily.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Best regards,</span><br><span>Daniel</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Sun, 28 Jan 2024, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>The updated Turing test should see whether a computer can make true Art.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It’s no surprise that AI excels in optimizing derivative content—that’s what it is made to do. School essays already may as well be</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>copies of one another, made according to algorithms. Is it really shocking at all that AI can pump out the same commodified crap</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>people already do—essays, ad copy, tutorials, illustrations, web design?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>When an AI can create *of its own volition* works of art that hang in museums, then it passes the test.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>AI can already be used by skilled humans to make true Art, but when it makes some itself then I’ll be convinced</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 10:58 AM Gregory Jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> BillW's question regarding the instructor's task of distinguishing between a student and AI puts a final nail in the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> coffin of Turing's test. 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