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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/02/2024 04:06, BillW wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">That's good to know, but I"ll bet that we are pissing a lot of antioxidants.
But possibly some fat-soluble ones are stored. From a generative AI:</div><div
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style="color:rgb(0,29,53);font-family:"Google Sans",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,sans-serif;font-size:18px">Yes, some antioxidants are stored in the body. </span><span
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style="color:rgb(0,29,53);font-family:"Google Sans",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,sans-serif;font-size:18px">For example, fat-soluble antioxidants can be stored, but too many can build up and become toxic. </span><span
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style="color:rgb(0,29,53);font-family:"Google Sans",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,sans-serif;font-size:18px">Antioxidants should be consumed in moderation, and high-dose supplements should never be taken without a doctor's supervision.</span>bill w</div></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 4:48 PM BillK via extropy-chat <<a
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 at 22:07, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
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> An Ocean ofAir, by Gabrielle Walker, a chemist,is really excellent. But...
> She says that taking in more antioxidants may interfere with body's own production of them. Now what? bill w
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The chatbots disagree. Though you have to check they are not lying! :)
Best answer (with references) -
Consuming more antioxidants does not interfere with the body’s own production.
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The idea that dietary antioxidants don't affect the production of
antioxidants by the body is just given as a bald statement here. No
reference to any evidence, no studies quoted, no attempt at giving
even a theoretical reason.<br>
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If any of the sources it used give any evidence, that isn't
mentioned.<br>
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I don't know if Gabrielle Walker gives any reasoning for her
opinion.<br>
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Chat GPT etc. seems to be very good at digging up lots of
information related to a question, but not necessarily at figuring
out what information it <i>should</i> be digging up.<br>
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Looking at the other thread about 'Newspeak', the chatbot keeps
repeating itself in slightly different words, while numbering each
paragraph as though they were referring to different aspects.<br>
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Clearly there is still a gap of understanding.<br>
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The thing that worries me most is the tendency to use what appear to
be tactics for blindsiding people: Quote lots of facts, seem to
answer the question while actually avoiding it and/or answer
different questions instead, appeal to authority, repeat the same
thing several times in different words. I'm not saying this is
deliberate of course, but it's interesting that they seem to have
picked up these tactics from their training material. Perhaps we're
doing it to each other more than we realise or intend.<br>
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To Bill w's question "Now what?", I think the answer has to be to
look for research on whether taking in more antioxidants interferes
with body's own production of them
or not, rather than asking chatbots (of course, they can be useful
in finding the research in the first place). I'm getting more and
more wary of them, to be honest. Maybe the ability to use chatbots
wisely will be an essential skill in the future, just as the ability
to sensibly use a search engine is now.<br>
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Ben<br>
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