<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 1:27 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I'm baffled by the opinions being expressed here.<br>
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We all understand what computer simulations are, and that digital <br>
computers can simulate anything, to an arbitrary level of detail.<br>
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But somehow, endocrine systems and emotions are exempt from this?<br>
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And bodies?<br>
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I'd agree that more advanced uploads may well do away with some of these <br>
things, after a suitable period of experimentation, but surely the first <br>
uploads will need to be provided with virtual bodies, including an <br>
endocrine system (and a whole bunch of other things, that we don't even <br>
know yet for sure), and we will do our best to exactly replicate all the <br>
experiences, including emotional ones, that physical humans have.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My prediction, as always, as described in the <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/36-Molecular-Materialism">molecular materialism camp</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Nobody will be able to reproduce a subjective redness experience (or any other quale) without glutamate*</div><div><br></div><div>* replace a description of anything else in the brain different from a description of glutamate reacting in a synapse, till they can't falsify the prediction that a description of glutamate* reacting in a synapse = subjective redness.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It's baffling to me to think how anyone can think someone can produce a redness experience, let alone engineer a system specifically designed to represent red with your greenness, without knowing which of all our descriptions of stuff is redness, and without specifically designing a system to use specific false color qualities to represent the subjective visual experiences.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> <a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><br>
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