<div dir="auto">Mysticism is the basis of religion. All religion starts with a ‘prophet’ type who realizes some kind of deep truth about reality or society. This truth is so compelling to people that they continue to listen and they spread the word. I can’t just say that a magic unicorn controls the world by pissing on a magic globe and make a movement—maybe a small cult of idiots. But powerful religions are based on powerful truths. As I mentioned, monotheism had incredible power based on the simple truth “everything looks different but it’s actually all one thing”. Animism before that was based on the simple truth “different natural objects [gods] are different and have consistent patterns/behavior”.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 3:46 AM efc--- via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2024, Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
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> There are alot of additional directions I could go in as to why early, primitive religions exist in terms of explaining and<br>
> controlling your environment (or rather the appearance of control) but I think the crux of my answer is in my argument above.<br>
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I agree. My bet would be that the origin is safety/control and<br>
explanation. Eventually it led to science, and hence the antagonism<br>
between religion and science. Religion feels threatened.<br>
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I'd also add that it's a nice tool to control society and<br>
ensure a homogeneous culture and cooperation.<br>
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But within the phenomenon of religion, you also have the mystics, which<br>
I think started with the above, but found their way to an incredibly<br>
strong internal experience, which kind of lessened the need for safety<br>
and explanation for them, but they have always been a tiny minority so<br>
perhaps not so relevant for the original question.<br>
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> Memento mori.<br>
> <br>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 7:58 PM Keith Henson <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com" target="_blank">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> The interesting question is why do humans have religions at all? I<br>
> make a case that it is a side effect of selection for war.<br>
><br>
> Religion is a class of mutually exclusive memes. I.e., it is seldom<br>
> that a given person has more than one of them, so you don't expect<br>
> someone who identifies as a Catholic to also be a Methodist. This<br>
> brings you to the interesting conclusion that communism is a religion<br>
> since being one makes it unlikely to have any of the common religious<br>
> memes.<br>
><br>
> This classification does not help with the question of why humans have<br>
> (or are infested) with such memes. From how common this is, religious<br>
> memes (or something related) must have been important to survival in<br>
> the Stone Age.<br>
><br>
> Religious memes seem to be descended from xenophobic memes.<br>
><br>
> Xenophobic memes are the first step in the path to war. I think<br>
> genetic selection for war is the origin of susceptibility to religious<br>
> memes.<br>
> <br>
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> Keith<br>
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