<div dir="ltr"><div>The thing that kicked me over from "don't know, but it must be natural" to "it is aliens" was the astronomers finding 24 blinking stars in a cluster.  The closest one is 511 lightyears from here.  That set me off looking at how big the blocking object was and how far out from the star it was.  The only thing that makes any sense is a data center for uploaded aliens.  The reason it is so far out from the star is so it can run cold which reduces the power and keeps down the errors.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Even that far out, it still intercepts a respectable amount of light, around 1.4 million times as much energy as the human race uses.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The AIs estimate they have been in space for 3000 years.  I would guess longer given the distance between stars.  But how low are the odds of another civilization in our backyard?<br></div><div><br></div><div>I need to run that question by Anders.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Keith<br></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 9:06 PM Stuart LaForge <<a href="mailto:stuart.laforge@gmail.com">stuart.laforge@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Assuming the dark forest hypothesis is true, then it would be a selective advantage for a technologically capable species to build Dyson swarms that would be camouflaged to look like dust clouds to the casual observer. The dark forest hypothesis assumes only that evolution by natural selection is universal and that there is life out there.<div><br></div><div>Stuart LaForge</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_attr">On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:17:10 PM UTC-7 <a href="mailto:hkeith...@gmail.com" target="_blank">hkeith...@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Starting to get a trickle of MSM articles  <br><br>Keith<br></div></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Google Alerts</b> <span dir="auto"><<a rel="nofollow">googlealer...@google.com</a>></span><br>Date: Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 7:00 PM<br>Subject: Google Alert - Tabby's Star<br>To:  <<a rel="nofollow">HKeith...@gmail.com</a>><br></div><br><br>   <div> <div>   
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