<div dir="ltr">For all we know, an AI might have written this piece, or most of it.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 10:41 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I just don’t think the article is saying much. Maybe AI will replace vapid navel-gazing thinkpieces like this. Nothing new here. </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 10:11 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I'm calling foul on that article title.<div><br></div><div>"Moves away" says that this is definitely currently happening right now. The article text only speaks about what might possibly happen in the future, with no evidence cited of it happening right now.</div><div><br></div><div>For example: sure, they won't run the exact same experiments, because those experiments have already been run and the AIs can learn from the results. But the same "kinds"? One could semantically argue "the same kinds of experiments that helped humans master the materials and forces of energy sources around them" into effectively being "literally only those experiments that were run before AIs", which is a useless type of "kind" for the point trying to be made.</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 9:36 AM BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">AI begins its ominous split away from human thinking<br>
By Loz Blain September 29, 2024<br>
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<<a href="https://newatlas.com/ai-humanoids/ai-rl-human-thinking/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://newatlas.com/ai-humanoids/ai-rl-human-thinking/</a>><br>
Quotes:<br>
Freed from the crude human musings of Newton, and Einstein, and<br>
Hawking, embodied AIs will take a bizarre AlphaGo-style approach to<br>
understanding the world. They'll poke and prod at reality, and observe<br>
the results, and build up their own theories in their own languages<br>
about what works, what doesn't, and why.<br>
<br>
They won't approach reality like humans or animals do. They won't use<br>
a scientific method like ours, or split things into disciplines like<br>
physics and chemistry, or run the same kinds of experiments that<br>
helped humans master the materials and forces and energy sources<br>
around them and dominate the world.<br>
<br>
OpenAI's o1 model might not look like a quantum leap forward, sitting<br>
there in GPT's drab textual clothing, looking like just another<br>
invisible terminal typist. But it really is a step-change in the<br>
development of AI – and a fleeting glimpse into exactly how these<br>
alien machines will eventually overtake humans in every conceivable<br>
way.<br>
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Sings — "This Could Be the Start of Something Big".........<br>
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BillK<br>
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