<div dir="auto"><div>It's an example of consciousness pursing it's own goals (e.g. seeking novel experiences), and suppressing purely evolutionary goals. You can't explain bungee jumping in evolutionary terms, but you can when you recognize that all value is rooted in states of conscious experience.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think it is useful to recognize as Sperry does here, that even within the same system of a human body, there any many distinct systems of causality at play, operating simultaneously:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"I am going to align myself in a counterstand, along with that approximately 0.1 per cent mentalist minority, in support of a hypothetical brain model in which consciousness and mental forces generally are given their due representation as important features in the chain of control. These appear as active operational forces and dynamic properties that interact with and upon the physiological machinery. Any model or description that leaves out conscious forces, according to this view, is bound to be pretty sadly incomplete and unsatisfactory. The conscious mind in this scheme, far from being put aside and dispensed with as an "inconsequential byproduct," "epiphenomenon," or "inner aspect," as is the customary treatment these days, gets located, instead, front and center, directly in the midst of the causal interplay of cerebral mechanisms.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mental forces in this particular scheme are put in the driver's seat, as it were. They give the orders and they push and haul around the physiology and physicochemical processes as much as or more than the latter control them. This is a scheme that puts mind back in its old post, over matter, in a sense-not under, outside, or beside it. It's a scheme that idealizes ideas and ideals over physico-chemical interactions, nerve impulse traffic-or DNA. It's a brain model in which conscious, mental, psychic forces are recognized to be the crowning achievement of some five hundred million years or more of evolution.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">[...] The basic reasoning is simple: First, we contend that conscious or mental phenomena are dynamic, emergent, pattern (or configurational) properties of the living brain in action -- a point accepted by many, including some of the more tough-minded brain researchers. Second, the argument goes a critical step further, and insists that these emergent pattern properties in the brain have causal control potency -- just as they do elsewhere in the universe. And there we have the answer to the age-old enigma of consciousness.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">To put it very simply, it becomes a question largely of who pushes whom around in the population of causal forces that occupy the cranium. There exists within the human cranium a whole world of diverse causal forces; what is more, there are forces within forces within forces, as in no other cubic half-foot of universe that we know.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">[...] Along with their internal atomic and subnuclear parts, the brain molecules are obliged to submit to a course of activity in time and space that is determined very largely by the overall dynamic and spatial properties of the whole brain cell as an entity. Even the brain cells, however, with their long fibers and impulse conducting elements, do not have very much to say either about when or in what time pattern, for example, they are going to fire their messages. The firing orders come from a higher command. [...]</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In short, if one climbs upward through the chain of command within the brain, one finds at the very top those overall organizational forces and dynamic properties of the large patterns of cerebral excitation that constitute the mental or psychic phenomena. [...]</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Near the apex of this compound command system in the brain we find ideas. In the brain model proposed here, the causal potency of an idea, or an ideal, becomes just as real as that of a molecule, a cell, or a nerve impulse. Ideas cause ideas and help evolve new ideas. They interact with each other and with other mental forces in the same brain, in neighboring brains, and in distant, foreign brains. And they also interact with real consequence upon the external surroundings to produce in toto an explosive advance in evolution on this globe far beyond anything known before, including the emergence of the living cell."</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-- Roger Sperry in "Mind, Brain, and Humanist Values" (1966)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason <br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 5, 2024, 9:51 AM BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 at 14:29, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br>
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> Enjoyment still unexplained. bill w<br>
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It is the excitement and thrill caused by the chemicals flooded into<br>
the body by the reaction to the loud noise.<br>
And then relief that there is no danger after all, but feeling brave<br>
that we conquered our fear.<br>
Very enoyable! :)<br>
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BillK<br>
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